Asthehills Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 If todays manninline is indicative of public support, then the teachers are screwed. The only people who seem to be supporting them are under the illusion that new starts are on 25k. Not the 36 they have turned down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 16 minutes ago, Asthehills said: If todays manninline is indicative of public support, then the teachers are screwed. The only people who seem to be supporting them are under the illusion that new starts are on 25k. Not the 36 they have turned down. You have time to listen to Moaninline? You really should get a proper job or at least stop wasting your employers time and do some actual work! The callers into that show can hardly be described as representative of the general population. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc.fixit Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 I wonder if the fact of a salary is ever taken into consideration during wage negotiations ? (Not just for teachers). What I mean is for example, when I was on a weekly wage, if I didn't turn up, for whatever reason, I wasn't paid. However, when I became a salaried person, I was of course paid for a certain number of days if I was ill. Is this benefit even considered in wage negotiations? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 Government "pushing" misconceptions about the issue. What, like attempting to sway public opinion to cast a shadow over staff? Intimidation? https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/nasuwt-members-subject-to-intimidation-following-strike-announcement-says-rep/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 55 minutes ago, Banker said: Latest news https://gef.im/2022/11/08/schools-may-close-during-strikes/ She keeps mentioning 'fair and sustainable' or sometimes 'affordable and sustainable'. But is continuing to give employees pay rises below inflation year on year really sustainable? How long can that go on for. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 52 minutes ago, Asthehills said: If todays manninline is indicative I refuse to believe you typed this with a straight face. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 1 minute ago, Newbie said: She keeps mentioning 'fair and sustainable' or sometimes 'affordable and sustainable'. But is continuing to give employees pay rises below inflation year on year really sustainable? How long can that go on for. Apparently roughly until now. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted November 8, 2022 Author Share Posted November 8, 2022 (edited) 50 minutes ago, doc.fixit said: I wonder if the fact of a salary is ever taken into consideration during wage negotiations ? (Not just for teachers). What I mean is for example, when I was on a weekly wage, if I didn't turn up, for whatever reason, I wasn't paid. However, when I became a salaried person, I was of course paid for a certain number of days if I was ill. Is this benefit even considered in wage negotiations? Doubt the number of sickness days the public sector have which is much higher than sector is taken into account with wage negotiations, same as the index linked pension isn’t sickness absence rate stood at 2.0% in 2019 Rates for workers within the public and private sector stood at 2.7% and 1.8% respectively in 2019.The rate for public sector employees has been consistently higher than the private sector employees since 1995. Edited November 8, 2022 by Banker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asthehills Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes. I haven’t listened to all of it, other than the first few minutes where she basically refuses to answer the first question and hints at unrest amongst those who do want to strike and the reasonable teachers in the schools She then goes on to talk (angrily) about the lack of rise for the experienced teachers having previously said it needed to address recruitment, which the package they have clearly does, then rant about the buildings and violence in the schools. 🙄 https://www.manxradio.com/podcasts/manx-newscast/episode/the-brink-of-strike-in-conversation-with-the-nasuwt-teaching-union/?fbclid=IwAR28eL_spMOjWB3o9crv9AKByekJZ2LgNF9TBdi4QOKA_YhySUZNXLf760w Edited November 8, 2022 by Asthehills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asthehills Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 When she talks about multi year pay awards, have they not agreed to follow the London Fringe plus a Manx uplift? If so, is that not an offer that means we will be obliged to match what the UK get? That seems sensible to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted November 8, 2022 Author Share Posted November 8, 2022 It doesn’t matter how much O Neill rants , IOMG are not going to pay them another 30% to cover perceived fall over 12 years. They are getting a lot more than Uk where they’re talking about redundancy to cut costs plus talking about violence in the UKS safest place is bollocks, try inner city in Birmingham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asthehills Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 Having now listened to the whole thing she doesn’t really answer any of the questions put to her. I have also concluded I wouldn’t fancy trying to negotiate with her. She hasn’t given a single concise point or requirement in that 15 minutes and apparently now wants major tax reform which seems way beyond her remit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 @Banker @Asthehills Having a busy day at work are we? How are those 60 hour weeks with no breaks or flexibility? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asthehills Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, manxman1980 said: @Banker @Asthehills Having a busy day at work are we? How are those 60 hour weeks with no breaks or flexibility? Is that the best response you have? Good effort 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2bees Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 9 minutes ago, manxman1980 said: @Banker @Asthehills Having a busy day at work are we? How are those 60 hour weeks with no breaks or flexibility? You're not one of those glasshouse stone throwers', are you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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