Banker Posted November 22, 2022 Author Share Posted November 22, 2022 42 minutes ago, Meoir Shee said: Source? Or just made up? Again? It’s been published & was in the post as you well know, Geraldine!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meoir Shee Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, Banker said: It’s been published & was in the post as you well know, Geraldine!! Just post the exact extract from your ‘source’ that verifies your ‘claim’ that “teachers get a fantastic offer which UK unions would love”. Copy and paste will be fine. I wouldn’t want you to be accused of making things up. Again. Thankyou, Geraldine. 🤡 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted November 25, 2022 Author Share Posted November 25, 2022 4 out of 5 unions accepted, hopefully the other will see sense & stop disrupting education https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/four-out-of-five-unions-accept-government-pay-deal/ 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallMeCurious Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 4 hours ago, Banker said: 4 out of 5 unions accepted, hopefully the other will see sense & stop disrupting education https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/four-out-of-five-unions-accept-government-pay-deal/ A lot depends on how many teachers are in this 5th union, seems like there are enough to close some schools at least. Not sure why this isn't done on collective bargaining, i.e. all unions get the same deal and if a majority of members voting accept it then that is the deal. Otherwise, how are we not going to end up with teachers in the same pay grade but different unions being paid differently? Or is it a case that whatever the 5th union 'wins' will automatically be applied to the other 4 unions teachers too? I trust at least the non-striking teachers will be attending schools to work, even if closed to pupils as per their contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 12 hours ago, CallMeCurious said: A lot depends on how many teachers are in this 5th union, seems like there are enough to close some schools at least. Not sure why this isn't done on collective bargaining, i.e. all unions get the same deal and if a majority of members voting accept it then that is the deal. Otherwise, how are we not going to end up with teachers in the same pay grade but different unions being paid differently? Or is it a case that whatever the 5th union 'wins' will automatically be applied to the other 4 unions teachers too? Well it's claimed that the NASUWT have 650 members, which is the majority of the Island's 1000 teachers. According to the Manx Radio, the four other Unions are: the Association of School and College Leaders, the National Association of Head Teachers, the National Education Union, and the University and College Union. Traditionally these all represented different sectors. The ASCL were the secondary school heads; the NAHT the primary school heads; NEU (as the NUT) primary school teachers; UCU the lecturers in colleges and universities. While NASUWT represented secondary school teachers. These were never sharp boundaries however and over the last few decades they have become increasingly blurred as the unions recruited from each others 'pools' and from education workers who aren't teachers. But they're still good rough guidelines. The NAHT claims about 150 members on the Island and the NEU about 350, though I suspect this may include some classroom assistants (there are about 500 of these). What this means is that any strikes are going to hit the secondary schools hardest, because that's where the NASUWT members are most concentrated, though some primary schools and the college may be affected as well. If a separate deal is agreed, it would be most likely to benefit the secondary school teachers, though they can also point to teacher shortages in that sector as indicating the need for a more attractive employment deal. If schools are actually closed, whether non-striking teachers should still attend will be the choice of the headteacher. It might be cheaper to keep them at home and not put on the heating and so on. They can presumably catch up on paperwork, prep lessons etc at home (which is probably what a lot of the striking teachers will be doing as well). There will probably still need to be some presence on site though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted November 26, 2022 Author Share Posted November 26, 2022 (edited) NASWUT have 600 members according to their own website, however it’s not clear how many are active teachers & includes college lecturers. he NASUWT is the largest teachers’ union in the Isle of Man (IOM), representing over 600 teachers and lecturers across the island ballot results A total of 84% of ballot papers from members of the NASUWT in the Isle of Man returned voted in support of strike action, with 94% in support of action short of strike action, based on a two-thirds turnout. so roughly 400 voted based on numbers & 84% for strike so 336 so hardly overwhelming support at 56% of members & only third of all teachers on Island Edited November 26, 2022 by Banker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy Brennan Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 (edited) The Nasuwt had 448 members entitled to vote in the most recent ballot on industrial action. Of these 237 cast their votes. Edited November 26, 2022 by Willy Brennan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted November 26, 2022 Author Share Posted November 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Willy Brennan said: The Nasuwt had 448 members entitled to vote in the most recent ballot on industrial action. Of these 237 cast their votes. So less than 200 voted for strike action, no wonder ONeill doesn’t answer when asked about numbers voting!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted November 28, 2022 Author Share Posted November 28, 2022 Came out on Mannin line today that NAUWST claimed 600 members includes a lot of retired & supply teachers with less than 200 voting to strike, apparently ONeill has been asked to confirm numbers but refused!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x-in-man Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 NASUWT lost a lot of members when she became the shoutsperson for them here apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted November 28, 2022 Author Share Posted November 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, x-in-man said: NASUWT lost a lot of members when she became the shoutsperson for them here apparently. Pay being implemented anyway 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x-in-man Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 At least they won't be paid for the days they don't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Banker said: Pay being implemented anyway Just have a little lie down and forget all about it... Edited November 28, 2022 by quilp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 8 to 12% isn't bad. Does that set the acceptable level? MHKs won't be happy though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Banker said: Came out on Mannin line today that NAUWST claimed 600 members includes a lot of retired & supply teachers with less than 200 voting to strike, apparently ONeill has been asked to confirm numbers but refused!! Did it? The only comment I heard was Wint saying "they" (MR?) were trying to find out how many active members were retired/supply. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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