CrazyDave Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 9 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: I don’t think that just because the two are under common ownership they have to offer the same products at the same prices at all their outlets.Depends on a load of factors, demographic’s etc Dynamic pricing and all that. Maybe people in Crosby are more careful with their money and have to be persuaded to part with it more than those down south. The sort of people who wouldn’t pay £10 for corkage par example 🙂 Or maybe it’s a typo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 19 hours ago, Kopek said: A 'corkage' charge is to account for the provision of glasses, breakages , cleaning and the waiter to open the bottle!!! Ten quid a bottle is a bit over the top?? A sort of punishment? Not punishment “ Deterrent pricing” according to Mr Wright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyDave Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 18 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: Not punishment “ Deterrent pricing” according to Mr Wright. Mr Wright is right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 7 minutes ago, Happier diner said: What about the rent and rates and heating. ... but they're getting their retail mark up plus corkage ? A small charge for corkage would be reasonable but £ 10 ??? It sounds more that 10 quid would bring it more into line with the wine list prices, up to a price point anyway? If they're happy with their retail mark up and they only have to carry it a few metres, open it and and pour it, does it need 10 quid??? f course, the problem with being both a wine retailer and a restaurant, Wine Down and Wine Cellar, is that there is a better mark up on the wine list than the retail price? Are they trying to balance the profit whether you buy retail or from the wine list??? Is that right? ''If everyone took rent and rates and energy costs and heating'' Hmmmm, yes if took the o/head costs of cooking at home, a portion of the mortgage, energy costs and a 'living wage ' for the person doing the cooking in to account then eating at home could seem rather expensive and not so much below a restaurant price??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 50 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: Not punishment “ Deterrent pricing” according to Mr Wright. If you're capable of understanding dynamic pricing, you're capable of understanding pricing dictated by different circumstances. (Why do I get the picture of TVOR asking for a bottle of coke and four straws?). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 On 11/15/2023 at 8:08 PM, The Voice of Reason said: No you’ve missed the point. The real deterrent, following your logic would be not to have BYO even if only from your own stock ( and put DP etc as an option on the menu) Were you born obnoxious or did you go to rude school? Perhaps with Hi Vibes as a fellow student? Its really not necessary. The last refuge of those who can’t present a coherent argument Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt_Mainwaring Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 16 minutes ago, Kopek said: ... but they're getting their retail mark up plus corkage ? A small charge for corkage would be reasonable but £ 10 ??? It sounds more that 10 quid would bring it more into line with the wine list prices, up to a price point anyway? If they're happy with their retail mark up and they only have to carry it a few metres, open it and and pour it, does it need 10 quid??? f course, the problem with being both a wine retailer and a restaurant, Wine Down and Wine Cellar, is that there is a better mark up on the wine list than the retail price? Are they trying to balance the profit whether you buy retail or from the wine list??? Is that right? ''If everyone took rent and rates and energy costs and heating'' Hmmmm, yes if took the o/head costs of cooking at home, a portion of the mortgage, energy costs and a 'living wage ' for the person doing the cooking in to account then eating at home could seem rather expensive and not so much below a restaurant price??? Let me try and explain, again. Retail: £15 Trade: £13.50 Bought to drink in Food Cellar: £25 Sold in another Douglas establishment: £45+ It's not corkage. It's a drink in price, which includes them serving it to you, in glasses, in their restaurant. The wines on the house wine list will also be in the shop, with £10 added. It's literally the same, you just have the choice of choosing any bottle from the shop. Having seen the markups most restaurants put on their wine, it's wine down or food cellar all the way for me. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 I'm well aware of the machinations of wine lists thank you! Keeping with in the above scenario, if you were to choose a 6 quid botttle at retail price plus a 10 quid corkage, you would gain the system, a house wine at 16 quid as opposed to 20/24 quid for the house wine on the wine list. It is when you start to go beyond the house wine prices that the discrepancy starts to sho9w. A 30 quid retail plus 10 quid sounds like a bargain compared to the similar wine list 60 quid!!! Until the restaurant realise that this isn't working out quite a they ha d hoped? So, what do the do? Scrap the retail? Put their menu prices up? so, would you be happy sitting next a tab;e of chedapskates knowing that your higher menu prices are subsidising their costs? because that's what it boils sdown to, if a restaurant loses on their wine, it will make it up on your food costs? don't throw your food at them, it's too expensive? just give them a withering glance??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt_Mainwaring Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, Kopek said: I'm well aware of the machinations of wine lists thank you! Keeping with in the above scenario, if you were to choose a 6 quid botttle at retail price plus a 10 quid corkage, you would gain the system, a house wine at 16 quid as opposed to 20/24 quid for the house wine on the wine list. It is when you start to go beyond the house wine prices that the discrepancy starts to sho9w. A 30 quid retail plus 10 quid sounds like a bargain compared to the similar wine list 60 quid!!! Until the restaurant realise that this isn't working out quite a they ha d hoped? So, what do the do? Scrap the retail? Put their menu prices up? so, would you be happy sitting next a tab;e of chedapskates knowing that your higher menu prices are subsidising their costs? because that's what it boils sdown to, if a restaurant loses on their wine, it will make it up on your food costs? don't throw your food at them, it's too expensive? just give them a withering glance??? I'm not sure you've grasped this. There's no house wines. The prices on the wine list are their shop price plus £10. Any other wine in the shop is retail plus £10. Wine down prices for food have hardly increased in the last 5 years (take the fillet steak, I think it's gone from roughly 28 to 32). If you want to talk mark up on house wines, have a look at other places, they're probably selling £5 bottles for 20 plus. So the £10 on retail is still a better deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 10 hours ago, Roger Mexico said: (Why do I get the picture of TVOR asking for a bottle of coke and four straws?). fuck knows, they don't have 3 friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyDave Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 Sunday roast for £12 each at Good Stuff in Ramsey tomorrow. Eat in or takeaway. For two people including all ingredients, energy for cooking and washing up etc you are not doing it for much less at home. Cracking value and the food in consistently good in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 2 hours ago, CrazyDave said: Sunday roast for £12 each at Good Stuff in Ramsey tomorrow. Eat in or takeaway. For two people including all ingredients, energy for cooking and washing up etc you are not doing it for much less at home. Cracking value and the food in consistently good in there. How much do they charge for a bottle of Coke? (Just asking for a non existent friend) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyDave Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: How much do they charge for a bottle of Coke? (Just asking for a non existent friend) No idea. Take it home and drink tap water if the price of a drink is a dealbreaker on a £12 roast dinner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 1 minute ago, CrazyDave said: No idea. Take it home and drink tap water if the price of a drink is a dealbreaker on a £12 roast dinner. Oh dear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 2 hours ago, CrazyDave said: Sunday roast for £12 each at Good Stuff in Ramsey tomorrow. Eat in or takeaway. For two people including all ingredients, energy for cooking and washing up etc you are not doing it for much less at home. Cracking value and the food in consistently good in there. £14 quid according to their website. though their bacon baps are only £8. 7 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: How much do they charge for a bottle of Coke? (Just asking for a non existent friend) Three imaginary friends surely? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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