The Phantom Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 8 hours ago, Kopek said: The part of the Prom under discussion is the southern end, the water is quite deep there, i doubt any scraping would have any effect??? The proposal is to put in a 1200mm wall with drainage hole at the bottom, most of us would be able to see over such a wall, kids? maybe not? Obviously there has been damage to the sunken garden walls and of the whole of the prom, perhaps they do deserve priority attention? Many on here seem to think that the repairs are overdue? What are they to do? Leave it or repair it? Of course, they could bolt planks to the bottom of the railings for 150k quid?!!! and wait for the economic situation to improve!!! Agreed, probably wouldn't have much effect on the southern end, but I say it's probably worth a punt in the middle of the prom, although it's rarely that bad there. To be honest, I've seen loads of photos on the iMuseum, Manx Nostalgia pages etc of the southern prom flooded in ye olde Victorian times. Realistically it's always happened but is it any worse now? Although I suppose all the sea walls etc were pretty much brand new then, so would have stood up a lot better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevster Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 4 hours ago, NoTail said: Is rhythmic spacing like one song to the tune of another? Humph can explain the rules Humph can explain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Buggane Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 Problems with sunken garden walls is to do with the Iris tanks being built. 5 ton vibrating hammer used to put piles in place for coffer dams caused what little foundations to shift and be sat on loose infill, which all of the reclaimed prom is made of. Also it being a lime mortar and manx stone wall has weakened over time. All that is needed is new foundations and a on side block core and stone facing, it has not helped with the storm boards no longer doing what they are supposed to. By leaving gaps for wheel chair and stroller access they are pointless letting water flood into the gardens and undermining the wall stability from the rear. I know people will not want to hear about restricting access as its just not pc, but it is the only way it works. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asthehills Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Dirty Buggane said: Problems with sunken garden walls is to do with the Iris tanks being built. 5 ton vibrating hammer used to put piles in place for coffer dams caused what little foundations to shift and be sat on loose infill, which all of the reclaimed prom is made of. Also it being a lime mortar and manx stone wall has weakened over time. All that is needed is new foundations and a on side block core and stone facing, it has not helped with the storm boards no longer doing what they are supposed to. By leaving gaps for wheel chair and stroller access they are pointless letting water flood into the gardens and undermining the wall stability from the rear. I know people will not want to hear about restricting access as its just not pc, but it is the only way it works. I would rather see them rebuild the garden walls properly and with better drop ins for when a storm is coming and just accept the the walkway is going to flood. It seems a real, and unnecessary shame to build a solid wall but why have already done Castletown harbour, and have similar plans for Ramsey harbour and insane sea walls for Ramsey and Laxey as well. If sea levels have risen as much as they are predicting in 50 years I will be astounded (dead, but astounded) and if they have those still here will have much bigger problems than a bit of prom Flooding to worry about 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Buggane Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 This will not happen because of the so called experts that the DOI have used, they would not know there ass from their elbow. As most would not know which end of a shovel is used and just operate from auto cad machines. DOI think it costs £4-5000000 it must be right. And of course the numpty signing this off is at most to blame because he believes this shite. Let him stake his pension on it, he may be a little more interested then. F%#$@₩g clown 🤡 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) Here's a comparison £16m on the Wirral https://www.wirralglobe.co.uk/news/23388066.extra-4-4m-approved-controversial-west-kirby-sea-wall https://youtu.be/OzNmUV9VmkM Edited March 21, 2023 by snowman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallMeCurious Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 14 minutes ago, snowman said: Here's a comparison £16m on the Wirral https://www.wirralglobe.co.uk/news/23388066.extra-4-4m-approved-controversial-west-kirby-sea-wall https://youtu.be/OzNmUV9VmkM Oh jesus, don't give them more ideas. Imagine the cost of all the wavey benches and money spent on bespoke concrete etc. probably doubled the price of the job. I suspect whatever we get here will be Brutalist Atlantic Wall basic concrete (i.e opposite the Northern Pool) and still cost £16m-£20m. Most of the money will be spent on coloured granite paving, statues of obscure and tenuous manx heritage and very expensive features that'll last about 5 years tops. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Buggane Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 5 years, being generous. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTail Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 If you just let the sea level rise wouldn't that just flood lower Douglas wiping out the promenade , tram tracks, knackered old victoriana hotels etc. Surely a good thing 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 13 hours ago, snowman said: Here's a comparison £16m on the Wirral https://www.wirralglobe.co.uk/news/23388066.extra-4-4m-approved-controversial-west-kirby-sea-wall https://youtu.be/OzNmUV9VmkM I actually quite like the idea/look of those wavey benches as the sea wall, set back from the current railings, allowing you to still actually see the sea. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxanne Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 14 hours ago, CallMeCurious said: Oh jesus, don't give them more ideas. Imagine the cost of all the wavey benches and money spent on bespoke concrete etc. probably doubled the price of the job. I suspect whatever we get here will be Brutalist Atlantic Wall basic concrete (i.e opposite the Northern Pool) and still cost £16m-£20m. Most of the money will be spent on coloured granite paving, statues of obscure and tenuous manx heritage and very expensive features that'll last about 5 years tops. You forgot to mention the Chinese Bazaar LED lighting BRING BACK THE FESTOONS! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxanne Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 38 minutes ago, The Phantom said: I actually quite like the idea/look of those wavey benches as the sea wall, set back from the current railings, allowing you to still actually see the sea. I like them too but we won't be allowed them here. Too much of a risk that young people might sit on them at night and talk (shock horror) or homeless people might turn them into sleeping accommodation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Buggane Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 And god forbid there maybe a bin for rubbish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 56 minutes ago, Roxanne said: I like them too but we won't be allowed them here. Too much of a risk that young people might sit on them at night and talk (shock horror) or homeless people might turn them into sleeping accommodation. Look at the plus side of the lighting. Young people will not congregate to chat in the dark and at least we won't be able to see the favela that springs up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 13 minutes ago, The Phantom said: at least we won't be able to see the favela that springs up. Have Dandara or Haven got permission for there as well now...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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