Omobono Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Happier diner said: They don't generate as much electricity as a big fuck off gas turbine though. So if you weren't convinced of climate change, why would you bother? New test centre did it for me what an opportunity lost for even a solar panel trial facing east - west sun all day and some high energy users around if there was too much power for the test centre , 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 8 hours ago, Omobono said: New test centre did it for me what an opportunity lost for even a solar panel trial facing east - west sun all day and some high energy users around if there was too much power for the test centre , Yes, a strange decision. It's cheaper and better to fit solar at the same time as a roof. Retrofitting is not ideal. Hopefully we will see better planning in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Perhaps Stu Peters has hit the nail on the head. It is not good for the MUA to have their customers producing their own electricity, much better for the MUA to produce it and continue selling it. There is a long time left on that loan. 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Gladys said: Perhaps Stu Peters has hit the nail on the head. It is not good for the MUA to have their customers producing their own electricity, much better for the MUA to produce it and continue selling it. There is a long time left on that loan. That's very true, but we must face up to this dilemma. The MEA debt is effectively our debt. Repayment of the debt was dependant on making money selling electricity at a profit.. Two things have scuppered that. 1. Gas prices 2. Low carbon targets. Both of these make paying that loan off impossible now. It's something we have no choice but to accept. I guess going forward, all we can ask is that the MUA and government make good decisions from this point forward. Edited February 22, 2023 by Happier diner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 5 minutes ago, Happier diner said: That's very true, but we must face up to this dilemma. The MEA debt is effectively our debt. Repayment of the debt was dependant on making money selling electricity at a profit.. Two things have scuppered that. 1. Gas prices 2. Low carbon targets. Both of these make paying that loan off impossible now. It's something we have no choice but to accept. I guess going forward, all we can ask is that the MUA and government make good decisions from this point forward. It is probably even simpler than that, and it is that any dreams of cheap electricity from renewables should be quashed right away. We have a debt that needs to be paid off and the only way that will happen is through selling electricity. No issue for renewable to be the aim from a carbon reduction angle, but very definitely not from a cheaper leccy angle. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 31 minutes ago, Gladys said: It is probably even simpler than that, and it is that any dreams of cheap electricity from renewables should be quashed right away. We have a debt that needs to be paid off and the only way that will happen is through selling electricity. No issue for renewable to be the aim from a carbon reduction angle, but very definitely not from a cheaper leccy angle. This. Don't anybody start dreaming about falling electricity bills instigated by any form of local renewables because it's less about saving the planet and more about feeding our very own financial albatross. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 (edited) Is the MEA loan now owed to the government? So the Govt (Treasury) is preventing the Govt (PO) reducing the bill it pays to the Govt (MEA) so that the Govt (MEA) can continue to repay the Govt's loan. Holistically speaking though that's costing the public more via the costs the Post Office passes on to the users. And the Govt is one of the PO's biggest users. Edited February 22, 2023 by Declan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 30 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: This. Don't anybody start dreaming about falling electricity bills instigated by any form of local renewables because it's less about saving the planet and more about feeding our very own financial albatross. Its all about achieving the carbon targets that government has set itself. Rightly or wrongly. There is no other motivation. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 As Stu say’s don’t come out with these plans & when someone submits application to reduce energy use it’s declined!! https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/peters-its-time-to-walk-the-walk-when-it-comes-to-climate-change/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Just now, Banker said: As Stu say’s don’t come out with these plans & when someone submits application to reduce energy use it’s declined!! https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/peters-its-time-to-walk-the-walk-when-it-comes-to-climate-change/ Yes. That is a mystery. Seems one government board isn't aligned with another and neither are aligned with government. Apart from that it's pretty much all joined up thinking.......not! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Did I miss this, is the report flat out wrong, is it an example of next level Govt bullshitting or is it a joke? I can't tell anymore. https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/environment/isle-of-mans-green-energy-commitment-praised-by-nuclear-free-organisation-596674 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moghrey Mie Posted February 22, 2023 Author Share Posted February 22, 2023 9 minutes ago, The Phantom said: Did I miss this, is the report flat out wrong, is it an example of next level Govt bullshitting or is it a joke? I can't tell anymore. https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/environment/isle-of-mans-green-energy-commitment-praised-by-nuclear-free-organisation-596674 Let's wait and see what happens. Can they get permission, build a windfarm and install solar on government estate by 2026? I don't think 'ocean energy' has been mentioned locally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 16 minutes ago, The Phantom said: Did I miss this, is the report flat out wrong, is it an example of next level Govt bullshitting or is it a joke? I can't tell anymore. https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/environment/isle-of-mans-green-energy-commitment-praised-by-nuclear-free-organisation-596674 The single comment (so far) on that article is interesting. Bit of a mystery? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 12 minutes ago, Moghrey Mie said: Let's wait and see what happens. Can they get permission, build a windfarm and install solar on government estate by 2026? I don't think 'ocean energy' has been mentioned locally. Short answer - No. I'd be willing to bet a significant sum that we definitely won't have 75% of our energy from renewables in the next 3 years. When pigs fly on a snowball in hell. There are a couple of contributors who seem to have a weird obsession with tidal energy generation. Also never happening over here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellanvannin2010 Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 What happened to the students climate protests outside Tynpotworld and their Friday strikes?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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