asitis Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 I'm all for playing our part in going green, I'm all for rewilding, planting trees, improving public transport networks etc etc, but this move looks to me too much too soon. The tech is moving too fast to be mandated at this time in my view, and house prices are bad enough as is without extra burdens on buyers ! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 2 minutes ago, asitis said: without extra burdens on buyers ! Never mind that, if the government don't bankrupt us running a heat pump certainly will. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 21 minutes ago, finlo said: Never mind that, if the government don't bankrupt us running a heat pump certainly will. I had heard they are expensive to run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallMeCurious Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 Heat pumps are efficent in the sense that you get 3 to 4 times more thermal energy out than electrical energy used ito get it (it's a bit like a fridge turned inside out), however the rate of transfer is slower due to having a lower temperature output than gas or oil boilers, consequently to compensate you need larger radiators and possibly pipes or underfloor heating where it's easier to maintain the required comfort level. As with much 'new' technology adopting into a new build is way simpler and far cheaper than retrofitting in older housing stock. Much like the rush to ban ICE vehicles, legislation is forcing the pace of change and not economics or logic, especailly when the alternatives (i.e. green electric capacity and distribution infrastructure) isn't in place to power the heating and hot water demands of all housing/offices/schools/hotels/hospitals by heat pumps and charge all forms of transport vehicles from private cars, buses and haulage) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 8 hours ago, english zloty said: https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/environment/views-sought-on-fossil-fuel-heating-ban-604301 more made up sums (apart from the 210 new build, that's about right) until you consider Alf's plan, which needs more than double that number to succeed. Absolute nonsense, just add £10k to price of house!! Thought gas was a transition fuel & classed as green FTB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hissingsid Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 I have heard that if you put solar panels in when building a new property it does not cost much more than if you put a regular roof on, I am certainly no building expert but if this is true surely this would be the way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 9 hours ago, hissingsid said: I have heard that if you put solar panels in when building a new property it does not cost much more than if you put a regular roof on, I am certainly no building expert but if this is true surely this would be the way to go. But if there’s no sun what’s your back up heating from/hot water from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD4ELI Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 9 hours ago, hissingsid said: I have heard that if you put solar panels in when building a new property it does not cost much more than if you put a regular roof on, I am certainly no building expert but if this is true surely this would be the way to go. There's more than just panels though. As for no sun - battery backup, then MEA. You need a MEA feed for the inverter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallMeCurious Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 9 hours ago, Banker said: Absolute nonsense, just add £10k to price of house!! Thought gas was a transition fuel & classed as green FTB? Add £10k to the price of a house and another £10k for the estate agents, solicitors, bank charges and environmental certification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 Uk government net zero strategy, seems a bit wishy/washy https://www.itv.com/news/2023-03-30/ministers-unveil-plan-to-power-up-britain-with-boost-for-offshore-wind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallMeCurious Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-isle-of-man-65113084 Instead, only plans approved before 1 August (2023) could include the (fossil fuel) systems. Which given the usual planning inadaquecy will effectively be 1st May (12 weeks or so from submission to approval). So there'll be a mad rush to beat the deadline and then the arse will fall out of the boiler market. A total ban on installing the fossil fuel heating systems would come into force on 1 January 2025. So what is the point of a consultation if its a done deal? They've had literally years to consult on this but obvioiulsy have no interest in listening, just ticks a 'democratic process' box. Save the time and cost and just bin it. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hissingsid Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 What is the point of any consultation? Have the opinions voiced ever been considered…no it is virtue signalling at its finest a waste of time and money . 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 I see the UCM are offering a new ‘green’ course, over 5 weeks and 3 hours session. I’m sure it will qualify those attendees a certificate to lecture islanders, and jump on board the ever burgeoning IOMG gravy train. I am all for skill workers but it’s should be for people who need to skills to enter the work place, or upgrade their skills. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc.fixit Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 On 3/30/2023 at 7:56 AM, GD4ELI said: There's more than just panels though. As for no sun - battery backup, then MEA. You need a MEA feed for the inverter. My invertor doesn't need external power. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cissolt Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 On 4/30/2023 at 4:13 PM, 2112 said: I see the UCM are offering a new ‘green’ course, over 5 weeks and 3 hours session. I’m sure it will qualify those attendees a certificate to lecture islanders, and jump on board the ever burgeoning IOMG gravy train. I am all for skill workers but it’s should be for people who need to skills to enter the work place, or upgrade their skills. The head of the climate team has no scientific background or climate policy experience nor do any of the others. All marketing based, which tells you all you need to know really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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