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2 hours ago, Cambon said:

Or, just have one massive turbine offshore, which would produce more power than the 5 or 10 put together. Put it off Peel and link into the Peel power station. 

That would cost even more money and the things don't scale that way

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8 hours ago, Fred the shred said:

The expert on all things has spoken 🤣

I'm not an expert in all things. I do though have some common sense and an ability to type. An offshore turbine at Peel would have to be along way offshore because its would be in the lee of the wind due to the Island.

You do not need to be an expert to find out that offshore is very expensive. Just google it

https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Offshore-Wind-Energy-DRS-4.pdf

Lots of info

Thanks

Non expert

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31 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

I'm not an expert in all things. I do though have some common sense and an ability to type. An offshore turbine at Peel would have to be along way offshore because its would be in the lee of the wind due to the Island.

You do not need to be an expert to find out that offshore is very expensive. Just google it

https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Offshore-Wind-Energy-DRS-4.pdf

Lots of info

Thanks

Non expert

Almost completely wrong. The only time a turbine off Peel would be in the lee would be from an easterly wind, which is not the prevailing direction, and have a tendency to be low. Prevailing wind is southwesterly and strong. Therefore, the turbine could be located just around the corner of Peel hill, where the scallop shells get dumped, a couple of hundred metres offshore, virtually out of sight, minimal cabling to the power station, relatively easy access for maintenance, win win. Unfettered wind 90% or the time.
 

As for Scard, the turbines will be in the lee of the hill to the southwest. The idea is bonkers! However, since they completely resurfaced the road up from Gawnes Folly, we can assume the decision has been made. 

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1 hour ago, Cambon said:

Almost completely wrong. The only time a turbine off Peel would be in the lee would be from an easterly wind, which is not the prevailing direction, and have a tendency to be low. Prevailing wind is southwesterly and strong. Therefore, the turbine could be located just around the corner of Peel hill, where the scallop shells get dumped, a couple of hundred metres offshore, virtually out of sight, minimal cabling to the power station, relatively easy access for maintenance, win win. Unfettered wind 90% or the time.
 

As for Scard, the turbines will be in the lee of the hill to the southwest. The idea is bonkers! However, since they completely resurfaced the road up from Gawnes Folly, we can assume the decision has been made. 

Does anywhere else in the world rely on one single massive offshore turbine?

A 20MW turbine doesn't exist yet, although admittedly they seem to being explored at the moment and appear to the maximum possible theoretical size using current technology albeit still commercially unviable.  Earystane = 5 x 5MW turbines which will be 150m - 200m tall.  Druidale = 10 x 2MW turbines at 100m.   A 20MW turbine would likely have to be around 350m tall (the height of the Eiffel Tower) and have blades that cover the area of approximately 10 football fields.     

So it is 100% unviable.  Also taking into account the redundancy factor and maintenance/construction infrastructure that would be required for one single giant offshore turbine.   Ships don't even exist that are big enough to carry one of the blades that would be required for such a structure. 

On calm days, maybe it could turn upsidedown and convert the tidal power?  Or maybe on its side and we could have some tame seals push it round like Conan the Barbarian?  Back to geothermal? 

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1 hour ago, Happier diner said:

I'm not an expert in all things. I do though have some common sense and an ability to type. An offshore turbine at Peel would have to be along way offshore because its would be in the lee of the wind due to the Island.

You do not need to be an expert to find out that offshore is very expensive. Just google it

https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Offshore-Wind-Energy-DRS-4.pdf

Lots of info

Thanks

Non expert

The size it would have to be, the lee of the Island would make no difference.   Peel Hill is only 150m.   It would be at least double the height. 

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56 minutes ago, The Phantom said:

Does anywhere else in the world rely on one single massive offshore turbine?

A 20MW turbine doesn't exist yet, although admittedly they seem to being explored at the moment and appear to the maximum possible theoretical size using current technology albeit still commercially unviable.  Earystane = 5 x 5MW turbines which will be 150m - 200m tall.  Druidale = 10 x 2MW turbines at 100m.   A 20MW turbine would likely have to be around 350m tall (the height of the Eiffel Tower) and have blades that cover the area of approximately 10 football fields.     

So it is 100% unviable.  Also taking into account the redundancy factor and maintenance/construction infrastructure that would be required for one single giant offshore turbine.   Ships don't even exist that are big enough to carry one of the blades that would be required for such a structure. 

On calm days, maybe it could turn upsidedown and convert the tidal power?  Or maybe on its side and we could have some tame seals push it round like Conan the Barbarian?  Back to geothermal? 

No, nobody relies upon one single source, and we would still have other multiple sources to call on for backup. At the end of the day, this expensive, barking idea of onshore wind is going to bankrupt the island for no gain. There are cheaper, better alternatives, such as the interconnections where we can take advantage of green electricity that we have already contributed towards. 

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1 hour ago, Cambon said:

No, nobody relies upon one single source, and we would still have other multiple sources to call on for backup. At the end of the day, this expensive, barking idea of onshore wind is going to bankrupt the island for no gain. There are cheaper, better alternatives, such as the interconnections where we can take advantage of green electricity that we have already contributed towards. 

Offshore would bankrupt us sooner.

 

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12 minutes ago, Banker said:

Lot cheaper than offshore, why do you think no energy companies bid for licenses to install wind in uk waters recently? Answer because they would lose loads of money!!

Correct. No more UK subsidies. Iom has pretty much missed out on leasing the local seabed. I am sure they will continue wasting time and money debating it. 

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