Climate Change Progress Report

[Max Power]

4 hours ago, Manx Resident said:

Mrs Caine also said it was estimated that 10,000 EVs would be on IOM by 2030. She was challenged by a chap called David about MUA charging capacity particularly on new housing estates. In her reply she said EVs wouldn’t be the solution, so why would should people buy them?.

Even manufacturers are realising that EVs are not the solution. 

[Nellie]

34 minutes ago, finlo said:

Reading between the lines she sort of admitted that the plebs shouldn't have cars and should rely on the bus oh and electric scooters!

Yes, to paraphrase, she told us that they need to develop and Transport Strategy which will involve the end of two car families, and lots of buses, electric scooters and trains and trams (modern ones, I think) and that will make everything OK.

Seems be assuming an awful lot about how acceptable that will be to the electorate.

I thought that the Mannin Line callers today showed a lot more push back and questioned a few fundamental aspects the IOMG Climate Change approach. Perhaps the tide is starting to turn, a little?

[Apple]

1 hour ago, Happier diner said:

A lot has changed since Thalidomide

A lot has been learned because of Thalidomide

Thalidomide was a powerful drug and not a vaccine

Not sure if there has ever been a really big vaccine mistake as they are normally inactive 

It's more about the scientists who make claims about things. Some caution is  always useful.

[offshoremanxman]

49 minutes ago, finlo said:

Reading between the lines she sort of admitted that the plebs shouldn't have cars and should rely on the bus oh and electric scooters!

The whole thing was ridiculous and just shows how out of touch she is opining on a load of pie in the sky dreams emanating from her and cabinet office. 

[Stu Peters]

Another scientist with seemingly impeccable credentials speaks out. The interviewer is annoying (talks too much and listens too little) and there are 2 mins of ads at the beginning. It's too long for most, but if you can afford 8 minutes, watch from around 55'00" in.
https://youtu.be/5Uf_AbyG6ho

Edited December 2, 2022 by Stu Peters
Can't get link to insert properly from laptop.

[Happier diner]

2 hours ago, Apple said:

It's more about the scientists who make claims about things. Some caution is  always useful.

Where would we be without scientists?

It's a broad phrase though. 

In the world of drug and vaccine development, caution is built in.

[Manx Resident]

19 hours ago, Nellie said:

Yes, to paraphrase, she told us that they need to develop and Transport Strategy which will involve the end of two car families, and lots of buses, electric scooters and trains and trams (modern ones, I think) and that will ………..

Fewer vehicles will mean a reduction in vehicle tax and fuel duty so government will have to find other sources of funding. Improved public transport will cost more money, goodness knows how much the fayres will be in future, this government certainly won’t make them cheaper because of greater use. The state of the roads will impact the use of bicycles and e-scooters etc (a woman using an illegal e-scooter in UK is suing a Local Council because she crashed in a pot-hole) requiring increased spending.

Improving home insulation, replacing heating boilers, waste recycling of EV batteries (Litho batteries are increasingly causing fires at UK waste plants!), the erection of wind farms, improved electrical capacity will all cost more money than we have available.

Does Government really think young people, however green they might be,  are going to stay or return to IOM to pay our crazy taxes, rates etc?. Does the Government really think 10,000 more residents are going to come to live in a third world state, with failing health and educational services, which believes it has an international standing requiring it to save the world while making its residents destitute.

Government can have all the ideas and good intentions in the world but when will we be told exactly how things will be financed, £42m will not go far enough…..

Government please get a grip of this climate nonsense.

[Max Power]

I think the climate issue (I do not regard it as a crisis) is one of many things which are surfacing which will bring huge societal problems in the not too distant future. Unless these are properly managed, we will see curtailments to our freedoms like we would never have imagined in a million years. 

To put it bluntly, I think governments around the world are losing control and don't actually have any sound answers as they are driven by crazy ideologies. Is this what happened to the Roman Empire and many civilisations before that?

[code99]

The debate about climate change/ global warming is somewhat futile – everybody (including climate change deniers) knows is happening. But sadly, there is a palpable collective reluctance to do anything significant about it. It is as if humanity are passengers on a runaway train, a train that everyone aboard knows is destined to crash. But, because they are enjoying the view out the windows and the food the stewards occassionally bring them, they are unwilling to ask the driver to turn down the engine a bit, let alone to slam on the breaks. The passengers are also content to pontificate about whether the future crash will be caused by a mechanical fault or a mistake by the driver. Their collective decision is to keep travelling just as they are; to relax, enjoy the ride and hope that somehow things will sort themselves out … In the context of climate change ‘that train crash’ is less than 50 years from now.

Interestingly, one of the biggest lobby groups at COP27 were Russians, who were ably supported by representatives from other tyrannical regimes which are short on human rights but are flush with fossil fuels. 

[Max Power]

On 12/4/2022 at 9:19 AM, code99 said:

The debate about climate change/ global warming is somewhat futile – everybody (including climate change deniers) knows is happening. But sadly, there is a palpable collective reluctance to do anything significant about it. It is as if humanity are passengers on a runaway train, a train that everyone aboard knows is destined to crash. But, because they are enjoying the view out the windows and the food the stewards occassionally bring them, they are unwilling to ask the driver to turn down the engine a bit, let alone to slam on the breaks. The passengers are also content to pontificate about whether the future crash will be caused by a mechanical fault or a mistake by the driver. Their collective decision is to keep travelling just as they are; to relax, enjoy the ride and hope that somehow things will sort themselves out … In the context of climate change ‘that train crash’ is less than 50 years from now.

Interestingly, one of the biggest lobby groups at COP27 were Russians, who were ably supported by representatives from other tyrannical regimes which are short on human rights but are flush with fossil fuels. 

I do like the analogy, very good. 

I'm sure most people accept that climate change is happening, it's just the causes, how rapidly it's actually happening and the severity of the consequences which seem to be the area of disagreement? There are definite political advantages in weaning us off the reliance on gas and oil, this is one of the things which raises suspicions, particularly when some of the previous prophesies have failed to come to fruition and the advances in technologies which reduce emissions are simply ignored in favour of zero emissions!   

[Apple]

On 12/2/2022 at 7:54 PM, Happier diner said:

In the world of drug and vaccine development, caution is built in.

So is the financial "opportunities".

Thats what the Stackler family said about Oxycontin. 

They are still worth over $11 Billion. 

Stu is right.

Edited December 5, 2022 by Apple

[cissolt]

Daphne and the climate change people seem obsessed with importing wood to burn.

I wonder if they have considered this: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/dec/08/eco-wood-burners-produce-450-times-more-pollution-than-gas-heating-report

[Max Power]

Here's a good idea, coming to an authoritarian regime near you?

 

 

[offshoremanxman]

On 12/8/2022 at 4:38 PM, Max Power said:

Here's a good idea, coming to an authoritarian regime near you?

 

 

Some mad local authority is already proposing this in the UK. Some WFH tinpot Hitlers got a right stiffy during lockdown. 

[cissolt]

Government got the figures wrong again by quite some way.  This kind of thing only adds fuel to the fire that Daphne's team are a huge waste of money.