Reportage Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 42 minutes ago, 0bserver said: Is there a recall mechanism for councillors? It happened last night. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 16 minutes ago, Reportage said: It happened last night. But a way to recall them to the polls? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manx17 Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 (edited) Well I think they haven’t thought it through properly and they should have had the public on board more. Listened to ideas to make it run more smoothly so everyone is happy. I don’t think the issue is recycling it’s self it’s more to do with the waste that can’t be recycled and many people are proud and respect the island and want it clean and are very upset that Douglas town will become known as the Douglas tip and not a city. Last summer we had a hose pipe ban. What are they going to do next summer when everyone is washing containers and tins? Say people are using too much water and put metres in place? Have they looked into where this new water supply is coming from? How many things are going wrong, costing up to now? How much is it costing for man power when it comes to fly tipping.Is there a shift in costs so it is costing the same or more. How much money are they willing to loose before something is done. A couple of weeks ago a black bin bag was left on a field at Henry Bloom Nobles School open with a bag of used needles spilt out . A child got injured from one of the needles. That needle could of had diseases. I’m all for recycling but it should be a good thing not a bad thing and the extra rubbish that is being refused to be picked up is not the way forward. I give it six months and it will be stopped as they won’t empty the black bins properly and it won’t have anything to do with the recycling element. They did it before and failed as they just burnt it. They lied then and probably are lying now. Edited December 13, 2022 by Manx17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarndyce Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 24 minutes ago, Reportage said: Is your brain broken or are you otherwise mentally impaired? Tasteless implication - but never mind… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bastard Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 I think that the lesson out of this one is that change needs to be managed more carefully at DBC. Recycling is a noble objective for a council, but it's a complicated one. It's easy for any organisation to use recycling as an opportunity for virtue-signalling when the true reasons involved are economic, so there's a good degree of skepticism growing around it. On the IOM, where recycling schemes seem to involve a large amount of long-distance transport and shipping to unknown handlers with not much visibility of the endpoints and questionable environmental benefits, some skepticism is healthy. Less-prosperous Douglas residents are forever being lectured on how they must live their lives, even down to what vehicles they can own, by the well-meaning-but-incompetent aunts in DBC and Gov, who think that their role is to lecture the people who are paying their rates and taxes to prop them up. Some anti-authoritarian feeling is a natural consequence. It was unclear from the start what the objectives were. "Saving money" was never going to go down well from a corporation that's spooging a huge amount of ratepayer money on a golf course on prime urban development land for a dwindling handful of pensioners on an island already full of golf courses, so it would be insane to pitch that as the reason. It wouldn't be unreasonable for ratepayers to expect a rate reduction since the services they're paying for are now reduced, but that's not addressed, which would make some wonder what the "real" reasons are (even if they don't exist). If it was being done solely on pseudo-environmental grounds, that should have been the clear rationale from the start, and the case should have been backed by an environmental impact assessment specific to the challenges of the IOM, rather than by a general statement about how well schemes elsewhere are running. Consultation should have happened (we're effectively seeing post-implementation consultation now) and there should have been more planning and communication for those worst-affected, rather than adopting the nanny-state route of simply railroading the change through and deriding anyone who objects as a hater who doesn't understand how virtuous DBC are. This should have been a win for DBC, but most problems with change are always about how the change is introduced rather than the change itself. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reportage Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 (edited) More reports of arrogance and disinterest https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/douglas-bins-rodents-and-arrogant-council-attitude-among-concerns-for-residents/ Edited December 13, 2022 by Reportage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weliveinhope Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, Reportage said: More reports of arrogance and disinterest https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/douglas-bins-rodents-and-arrogant-council-attitude-among-concerns-for-residents/ would somebody please ban this fucking head the ball, what a tool. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, Reportage said: More reports of arrogance and disinterest https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/douglas-bins-rodents-and-arrogant-council-attitude-among-concerns-for-residents/ No, a head line saying those items were amongst the concerns raised at the meeting. There’s no conclusion of disinterest or arrogance. The headline could just as well have said “ratepayers made allegations they can’t evidence or justify”. It would be equally true. But wouldn’t sell papers or other media advertising. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Weliveinhope said: would somebody please ban this fucking head the ball, what a tool. posting links to the national mouth piece website is hardly a banning offence Edited December 13, 2022 by WTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weliveinhope Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, WTF said: posting links to the national mouth piece website is hardly a banning offence it was hard to attach his multiple previous conspiracy theory type rants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asthehills Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, code99 said: I had a discussion with some members of the UK Green Party, and they were sceptical about the recycling on the Island primarily due to the distance to the relevant facilities in the UK. From the carbon foot print point of view, the overall environmental impact is probably lower if we burn the rubbish in the Incinerator. This!!!!! People fail to look at the bigger picture involved in the extra transport to get stuff to and from the island. It applies to loads of the green stuff that is being peddled at the moment and I can say that in our business we are looking at various things that similar businesses around the world are going to make them supposedly greener. Most of them on the face of it make sense and should work, but all have calculations relevant to distances between different parts of the process and the type of transport used. Not one of them when applied to the Island actually has an overall benefit although we might be forced to adapt to some just because most of the rest of the industry doing so will make certain parts and materials impossible to get. Edited December 13, 2022 by Asthehills 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Asthehills said: This!!!!! People fail to look at what they call “embedded carbon” involved in the extra transport to get stuff to and from the island. It applies to loads of the green stuff that is being peddled at the moment and I can say that in our business we are looking at various things that similar businesses around the world are going to make them supposedly greener. Most of them on the face of it make sense and should work, but all have calculations relevant to distances between different parts of the process and the type of transport used. Not one of them when applied to the Island actually has an overall benefit although we might be forced to adapt to some just because most of the rest of the industry doing so will make certain parts and materials impossible to get. Thing is the boat sails from the island whether full or empty so the more we get going from the island the more it reduces the carbon consumption of each item. Edited December 13, 2022 by Gladys 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asthehills Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, Gladys said: Thing is the boat sails from the island whether full or empty so the more we get going from the island the more it reduces the carbon consumption of each item. The boat does, but that doesn’t mean all the other stages of the process that people fail to consider would have to. In the case of DBC recycling it might even extend as far as a whole wagon never having to be built or shipped here. Less sets of tyres used. Less plastic boxes manufactured and shipped here. Less storage facility having to be built etc etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 1 minute ago, offshoremanxman said: Wells is getting an absolute hammering on the Mannin Line “aloof and dictatorial” How did your demands for sackings at meeting go or did you not turn up like most of the anonymous forums & social media whiners? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 24 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said: She’ll have resigned by Xmas. No need for sackings. I think it’s safe to say from the general feedback on the Mannin Line today that nobody likes Claire Wells or wants to see her stay in the role of council leader. She's succeeded in one area. I never thought we would see a council leader worse than David Christian. She has gone way beyond that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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