Happier diner Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 9 hours ago, offshoremanxman said: It won’t cost them a fortune. A gas boiler has a life of about 15 years with regular servicing. Swapping one out is about £2K. The alternative is tens of millions spent doing assessments for solar and other replacements. And as we stand you are right. Those are the hard economic facts. Yes it's a short term view, but unless one is flush with cash, it's the only option. Because of the long pay back of other options, only those 40 or under would benefit. I doubt solar panels will last much over 20 years. So just when you have paid for them you might have to start all over again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asthehills Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 10 hours ago, Apple said: So, back to the issue of Douglas Council - the meeting where the boiler issue was debated proved even then a very passionate debate and iirc came at the time renewable energy and increasing cost of gas was seen coming down the line. The main point though is what will happen the the existing gas boilers when they need repair or replacement. It will cost them fortune. It’s a relatively straightforward swap to an electric combo boiler as and when they need replacing, if at that time the cost of running electric heating is less than gas. Pipework in the house, radiators etc stay the same. It’s just a new means of heating the water 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 we'll be back to dunsley boilers behind a coal/log fire soon. we will call the fuel 'biomass' , which is effectively processed 'wood' , biomass was all the rage a few years back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtleish Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 24 minutes ago, WTF said: we'll be back to dunsley boilers behind a coal/log fire soon. we will call the fuel 'biomass' , which is effectively processed 'wood' , biomass was all the rage a few years back. Just like the biomass they use at Drax "green " power station? Prime virgin forests cut down and processed in Canada? Shipped 11000 miles? To produce more greenhouse gas than coal?. Soure BBC panorama. 🤥 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 51 minutes ago, Asthehills said: It’s a relatively straightforward swap to an electric combo boiler as and when they need replacing, if at that time the cost of running electric heating is less than gas. Pipework in the house, radiators etc stay the same. It’s just a new means of heating the water Its true. But you would have to take a gamble. We make all our electricity from gas and that process is only about 50% efficient. So, unless electricity stays subsidised (as it currently is), you might say that in the long run gas is going to be cheaper. Kw/£ it was 3 times cheaper 2 years ago. Now it's a close call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raffles Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Happier diner said: Its true. But you would have to take a gamble. We make all our electricity from gas and that process is only about 50% efficient. So, unless electricity stays subsidised (as it currently is), you might say that in the long run gas is going to be cheaper. Kw/£ it was 3 times cheaper 2 years ago. Now it's a close call. It's not a gamble, simply because we can produce electricity from renewables. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asthehills Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Raffles said: It's not a gamble, simply because we can produce electricity from renewables. Which will cost a fortune and have to be paid for. People seem to be talking like it’s free. Are there figures anywhere to show that a switch to renewables is actually less expensive at MUA level when you factor in everything involved like replacement of equipment, training of staff, ongoing maintenance etc? Its easy to assume that leads to less expensive energy but does it really? I would imagine that the cheapest way for us to generate electricity over the next 25 years is to pump the crogga gas here and burn it. Edited October 16, 2022 by Asthehills 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 5 minutes ago, Asthehills said: Which will cost a fortune and have to be paid for. People seem to be talking like it’s free. Are there figures anywhere to show that a switch to renewables is actually less expensive at MUA level when you factor in everything involved like replacement of equipment, training of staff, ongoing maintenance etc? Its easy to assume that leads to less expensive energy but does it really? I would imagine that the cheapest way for us to generate electricity over the next 25 years is to pump the crogga gas here and burn it. the cheapest way is to generate NOTHING here and just tap into the UK national grid , economies of scale and all that. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 47 minutes ago, Raffles said: It's not a gamble, simply because we could produce electricity from renewables. Corrected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 2 hours ago, Turtleish said: Just like the biomass they use at Drax "green " power station? Prime virgin forests cut down and processed in Canada? Shipped 11000 miles? To produce more greenhouse gas than coal?. Soure BBC panorama. 🤥 Blimey, where is Canada in your world! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtleish Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 6 minutes ago, finlo said: Blimey, where is Canada in your world! Not my calculations, only quoting panorama.. I think it's west coast via Panama canal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad_manx Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 13 hours ago, offshoremanxman said: It won’t cost them a fortune. A gas boiler has a life of about 15 years with regular servicing. Swapping one out is about £2K. The alternative is tens of millions spent doing assessments for solar and other replacements. Not with the current boilers. The older ones used to go on for 15 to 20 years with regular servicing. These days I would say 10 years maximum ( and thats if you are lucky). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad_manx Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Asthehills said: It’s a relatively straightforward swap to an electric combo boiler as and when they need replacing, if at that time the cost of running electric heating is less than gas. Pipework in the house, radiators etc stay the same. It’s just a new means of heating the water Don't electric combi boilers need a hot water tank so it can use the off peak rates and heat water and store it. If so may not be viable for smaller properties. Edited October 16, 2022 by mad_manx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asthehills Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 23 minutes ago, mad_manx said: Don't electric combi boilers need a hot water tank so it can use the off peak rates and heat water and store it. No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steady Eddie Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 28 minutes ago, mad_manx said: Not with the current boilers. The older ones used to go on for 15 to 20 years with regular servicing. These days I would say 10 years maximum ( and thats if you are lucky). I’ve just had a new gas boiler installed and it came with a 7 year warranty. Some of the ones I looked at had a 12 year warranty if installed by a manufacturer approved fitter. I wouldn’t think they’d be warranting them for that long if you weren’t going to get 10 to 15 years out of one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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