Asthehills Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, Happier diner said: Lots of loose bags out tonight. The seagulls and the r**ts are licking their lips. Been more sensible to do a weekly just before Christmas. Expect more litter all round this week and no wind to help disperse it. A lot of Christmas rubbish is packaging and wrapping paper, which is clean and dry and can be kept indoors or on the boot of the car. It can also be folded down to take up very little space. There might be some exceptions, but the majority of people with extra rubbish this week could have easily managed it without leaving it outside to spread around the neighbourhood. I don’t agree with the policy and wouldn’t have introduced it. I don’t think recycling on island is really beneficial. I also don’t think it’s a big deal for the majority of people to go two weeks between bin collections, you just have to use your brain a little bit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 11 minutes ago, Asthehills said: Name a product, and we can have a look. There are significant overheads involved in recycling paper or aluminium even before the transport is taken into account. You would have to compare the entire recycling cost as against the entire cost of extraction processing and manufacture. You also have to factor in the finite resource aspect. Paper and cardboard are from renewable sources, but even that is coming under pressure for clearance for agriculture and mining. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 obvious example is it seems to be cheaper to package milk in cardboard than to re-use / recycle glass bottles, same for even things that come in glass bottles like beer,, in my view it must be better to use glass bottles over and over than use new ones all the time, when collecting and washing is more expensive than creating new ones you do wonder why. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, WTF said: obvious example is it seems to be cheaper to package milk in cardboard than to re-use / recycle glass bottles, same for even things that come in glass bottles like beer,, in my view it must be better to use glass bottles over and over than use new ones all the time, when collecting and washing is more expensive than creating new ones you do wonder why. That is a very good point. The move to cardboard for milk probably came from the producers who didn't want the additional cost of washing and sterilising bottles and saw a way of saving in cost without affecting the price or, more accurately, their margin. Wasn't the price of milk regulated at one time? Edited January 2, 2023 by Gladys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, Gladys said: That is a very good point. The move to cardboard for milk probably came from the producers who didn't want the additional cost of washing and sterilising bottles and saw a way of saving in cost without affecting the price or, more accurately, their margin. Wasn't the price of milk regulated at one time? I don't think they're made from cardboard, weren't they making a big song and dance about them being plant based? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, finlo said: I don't think they're made from cardboard, weren't they making a big song and dance about them being plant based? Trees are plants? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 5 minutes ago, finlo said: I don't think they're made from cardboard, weren't they making a big song and dance about them being plant based? reminds me of school woodwork class all those years ago when one lad couldn't plane wood to thickness and kept going back for more and the teacher obviously thinking of waste/cost loudly shouted that wood didn't grow on trees , oh how we laughed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarndyce Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 20 minutes ago, Gladys said: The move to cardboard for milk probably came from the producers who didn't want the additional cost of washing and sterilising bottles and saw a way of saving in cost without affecting the price or, more accurately, their margin. I don’t know, of course: but I’d give good odds that there is some kind of legal/health and safety/food standards regulation, introduced by government since “the good old days” of washing bottles, which stops it being viable now…anyone know? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 14 minutes ago, finlo said: I don't think they're made from cardboard, weren't they making a big song and dance about them being plant based? IOM Creameries say their cartons are all plant based, so some form of cardboard you would think. Point is there is no plastic, even the lid is plant based. But, they are not generally recycled, they have to go back to the Creamery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarndyce Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Gladys said: they are not generally recycled, they have to go back to the Creamery. Why? Will DBC not accept them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTailT Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Jarndyce said: Why? Will DBC not accept them? I put them in my recyclecollect boxes? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 23 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said: As an aside do you think anyone goes into a supermarket and says” I bought this bag for life. and it has split. Please give me a free replacement “ Be interesting to know Yep, done that in M&S. Got a new one, no problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steady Eddie Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Jarndyce said: Why? Will DBC not accept them? They have some special coating on them that means they have to go through a separate process first (that only the creamery can do) to sanitize them so it costs to much to recycle them. Remember DBC are only pretending to recycle. They only accept the bare minimum of items that other recyclers accept because all they’re interested in doing is flogging it for cash to the highest bidder having collected it in the cheapest and easiest way possible. Edited January 2, 2023 by Steady Eddie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 14 minutes ago, Jarndyce said: Why? Will DBC not accept them? None of the recycling bins collected take them, only creamery & not sure if a collection point at amenities centre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercenary Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 41 minutes ago, Gladys said: Wasn't the price of milk regulated at one time? The price of (Manx) milk is still regulated. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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