offshoremanxman Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 23 minutes ago, hissingsid said: Apathy means people are not bothered. No it doesn’t voter apathy is largely what’s the point I can’t change things whereas in Jersey it seems you can. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said: No it doesn’t voter apathy is largely what’s the point I can’t change things whereas in Jersey it seems you can. This island or rather the people that run it have no ambition. How on earth so many LAs can exist in such a small area, each with their own agenda is beyond me. Should be like Jersey. Central government and no LAs. Edited February 22, 2023 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 32 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said: I think in this instance maybe we should. That story is hilarious you can almost feel his disappointment and sense of “how very dare they” when presented with the result that 39% of his parish actually got up and went out to register a protest vote just so that he had less chance of getting in. They should have the same on DBC and all the other LAs here. There’s far too many uncontested seats. You have to look at the peculiarities of the Jersey electoral system to understand what is going on. There are actually two different sorts of members of the States Assembly. The three to five Deputies are elected in each Constituency roughly on the basis of population. But there are also the Connétables, one of each is elected for each of the historic parishes of the Island and these parishes vary widely in population from 1800 to 35,800. It's rather as if the Captains of the Parishes were elected and all sat in the Keys as well, with Bride having the same representation (one) as Onchan (which includes most of Douglas). And as with the CPs the Connétables tend to be older men who know everyone in their area and no one wants to stand against. In the most recent election all the constituencies were contested with a good number of candidates, but eight of the twelve Connétables were unopposed. But because they're elected at the same time and all the constituencies were contested[1], people would be going out to vote anyway for the Deputies, so they might as well register their approval (or not) of the Connétable at the same time. But it's a bit different than it would be here where people really would have to make the journey effectively just to spoil their ballot paper. [1] This is the first Jersey election NOTA has been tried in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 7 minutes ago, Satan666 said: This island or rather the people that run it have no ambition. How on earth so many LAs can exist in such a small area, each with their own agenda is beyond me. Should be like Jersey. Central government and no LAs. Jersey actually does have local authorities for each Parish. They don't have elected local authorities but they do have elected local Parish officers of various sorts with medieval French names and parish assemblies which consist of anyone who can be bothered to turn up (you have to pre-book in St Hellier, presumably so they know how big a hall to hire). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 11 minutes ago, Satan666 said: This island or rather the people that run it have no ambition. How on earth so many LAs can exist in such a small area, each with their own agenda is beyond me. Should be like Jersey. Central government and no LAs. Man...many of us on here have been saying just this since the early 2000's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 4 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: Jersey actually does have local authorities for each Parish. They don't have elected local authorities but they do have elected local Parish officers of various sorts with medieval French names and parish assemblies which consist of anyone who can be bothered to turn up (you have to pre-book in St Hellier, presumably so they know how big a hall to hire). So they do, I stand corrected. I just look at this island and think how much money is thrown away here just because some tinpot regimes what to gratify themselves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Albert Tatlock said: Man...many of us on here have been saying just this since the early 2000's. It’s just ridiculous. Besides if central government coordinated all services (assuming they’d be competent at it) the public purse would save and it’d be a win for their green agenda. Edited February 22, 2023 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 23 hours ago, FANDL said: Vote None of The Above is an established democratic concept in Jersey now. If it’s an uncontested seat or little interest exists allow people to vote for none of the above at a public vote if they disagree that a seat should just be handed to someone through lack of interest. As discussed at the 2021 election: https://fearandloathing2021.wixsite.com/website/post/something-in-the-ayre Voting “ None of the above” achieves f—k all. If none of the above takes your fancy, then don’t vote. Leave it to those who can see merit in a candidate, or those who would vote for whoever they consider the least worst option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 7 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: Voting “ None of the above” achieves f—k all. If none of the above takes your fancy, then don’t vote. Leave it to those who can see merit in a candidate, or those who would vote for whoever they consider the least worst option. If someone sees no merit in your opinion, should they say nothing or should they comment? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, Two-lane said: If someone sees no merit in your opinion, should they say nothing or should they comment? They can do either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Nil By Mouth... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BriT Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 22 hours ago, P.K. said: Nil By Mouth... Or nil by bin if it’s DBC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offshoremanxman Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 On 2/22/2023 at 8:59 PM, The Voice of Reason said: Voting “ None of the above” achieves f—k all. I think it does. Uncontested elections are utterly pointless and anyone who got no votes to get into public office should not be taken seriously in any way. They simply have no public mandate for anything. NoTA at least seems give people the power to change the inevitable outcome of an uncontested election. It should certainly apply in the IOM, DBC alone has three current councilors (including the council leader) who literally nobody voted for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 27 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said: I think it does. Uncontested elections are utterly pointless and anyone who got no votes to get into public office should not be taken seriously in any way. They simply have no public mandate for anything. NoTA at least seems give people the power to change the inevitable outcome of an uncontested election. It should certainly apply in the IOM, DBC alone has three current councilors (including the council leader) who literally nobody voted for. Do you think voters who haven't turned out to vote for anyone are more likely to turn out to vote NOTA? Uncontested means no one else was willing to stand. So should that invalidate the mandate of the returned candidate? The electorate need to be more engaged less complacent and responsible. When their lack of engagement, complacency and irresponsibility bites them with an unpopular returned candidate, tough shit. Simples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offshoremanxman Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 2 hours ago, Gladys said: Do you think voters who haven't turned out to vote for anyone are more likely to turn out to vote NOTA? Yes, 100% absolutely as they seem to have done in Jersey. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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