John Wright Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 Moderating message. It's time to tone down the rhetoric both by Frank and the Frank bashers. Keep to discussing weekly or fortnightly bin collections, the state of local democracy, recycling or reuse, by all means. it's got too personal. 8 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 26 minutes ago, Steady Eddie said: But it’s a clear case of get in on the corporation, make a name for yourself, and then start the granny farming 2 years before the next general election. They won’t care what DBC voters think as I doubt neither of them see themselves having to come back and seek their votes next time round for anything other than Keys. This makes no sense. The next Corpy elections will probably be in April 2025; the next Keys election isn't till September 2026. If a councillor doesn't re-stand in 2025, they will presumably lose any advantage they have from their local government work - though, as I've pointed out before, if you look at who gets elected as MHKs and who doesn't, there may be little in the way of advantage in LA service anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 (edited) In 2018 the EU came up with a comprehensive set of laws aimed at preventing household waste and boosting recycling. The new laws are part of four EU directives and “States are expected to transpose the agreed EU laws into national legislation by July 2020.” Among the most transformative changes is an obligation to sort and separately collect different materials such as textiles, hazardous material and organic waste. I think this addresses the issue of national sovereignty for EU member States nicely. Its not quite the benign talking shop that some would have you believe. Preventing household waste and boosting recycling are worthy objectives. It’s the imposition of such laws by unelected officials onto Member States which have not been formulated by their domestic Parliament which is troubling. Maybe the EU could issue guidance using shared research which Member States could consider and adopt where practical given their own circumstances, rather than issuing such diktats One shudders to think where this could all end. Thin end of the wedge, slippery slope etc. Edited December 5, 2022 by The Voice of Reason 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 Yeah - that's what this thread needs to calm tensions - a discussion on the EU. 4 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 9 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: In 2018 the EU came up with a comprehensive set of laws aimed at preventing household waste and boosting recycling. The new laws are part of four EU directives and “States are expected to transpose the agreed EU laws into national legislation by July 2020.” Among the most transformative changes is an obligation to sort and separately collect different materials such as textiles, hazardous material and organic waste. I think this addresses the issue of national sovereignty for EU member States nicely. Its not quite the benign talking shop that some would have you believe. Preventing household waste and boosting recycling are worthy objectives. It’s the imposition of such laws by unelected officials onto Member States which have not been formulated by their domestic Parliament which is troubling. Maybe the EU could issue guidance using shared research which Member States could consider and adopt where practical given their own circumstances, rather than issuing such diktats One shudders to think where this could all end. Thin end of the wedge, slippery slope etc. First they’ll have been debated and passed in the democratically elected EU Parliament. Then the requirement is to transpose. So the UK ( and devolved ) Parliament have to legislate domestically. How they word the legislation to meet the agreed aims, is up them. Its all part of level playing field. It’s withdrawing so UK can race to the bottom that’s the wedge and slippery slope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, Declan said: Yeah - that's what this thread needs to calm tensions - a discussion on the EU. That’s what I thought. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, John Wright said: First they’ll have been debated and passed in the democratically elected EU Parliament. Then the requirement is to transpose. So the UK ( and devolved ) Parliament have to legislate domestically. How they word the legislation to meet the agreed aims, is up them. Its all part of level playing field. It’s withdrawing so UK can race to the bottom that’s the wedge and slippery slope. It’s the “have to legislate domestically” bit that gives me the heebie jeebies Edited December 5, 2022 by The Voice of Reason 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 https://eeb.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Separate-collection-factsheet.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 33 minutes ago, Declan said: Yeah - that's what this thread needs to calm tensions - a discussion on the EU. which we aren't even in. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said: Edited December 5, 2022 by Whiskey Duplicate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 2 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said: It’s the “have to legislate domestically” bit that gives me the heebie jeebies Maybe there should be a vote on whether to stay in or leave the EU. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, Whiskey said: Maybe there should be a vote on whether to stay in or leave the EU. It’s the countries left in I feel sorry for. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarndyce Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 3 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said: Thin end of the wedge… …a Bennite solution… 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Johnson Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, John Wright said: Moderating message. It's time to tone down the rhetoric both by Frank and the Frank bashers. Keep to discussing weekly or fortnightly bin collections, the state of local democracy, recycling or reuse, by all means. it's got too personal. Well said John This thread has become very uncomfortable to read from a bystander's point of view, never mind for the people involved. The very worst Manx Crab pile on I have ever seen.......... ETA Will the Manx ever realise that this type of crap, just like the "Proud Welsh" do and happens the same in Wales, makes you look like retards and stops things improving?..... Edited December 5, 2022 by Boris Johnson 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bastard Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 38 minutes ago, Boris Johnson said: Well said John This thread has become very uncomfortable to read from a bystander's point of view, never mind for the people involved. The very worst Manx Crab pile on I have ever seen.......... ETA Will the Manx ever realise that this type of crap, just like the "Proud Welsh" do and happens the same in Wales, makes you look like retards and stops things improving?..... Why bring race into it ? More than 50% of the population here was born elsewhere. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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