Meat Plant Slaughtered

[Nellie]

1 hour ago, Banker said:

No problem at dairy which has a good leadership & product 

That's a very good point.

You have to wonder whether seconding Findlay McLeod for (say) 12 months, or even putting the Meat Plant under the control of The Creamery management team might be a way to tackle this problem.

There must be a lot of synergies, and potential efficiencies, in areas like Finance, Purchasing, Sales, Marketing, HR. 

 

[cissolt]

https://gef.im/2021/07/09/report-makes-mincemeat-of-meat-co/

Clare barber was minister when the last report was published, what has she and comin been doing to fix the problems?

 

[offshoremanxman]

32 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

Wasn't it only a year ago that the Meat Plant was outed as having been hijacked by a cabal of civil servants and self-interested individuals as their personal benefit project?

Which suggests they know why it’s running at such a loss and in such a mess but until they were handed it for nothing they were going to do nothing about it. 

[Albert Tatlock]

It's piss poor leadership and low quality management. Inexperienced and often untrained people, incapable or unwilling to make the difficult choices often required when running large entities. They manage £millions of public monies with no accountability and no penalties for failure - and when they do screw up, they are simply moved to another area to do the same again. When money gets tight they simply reduce services rather than reduce staff.

The whole model needs to change. If we paid more for leadership and contracted in experienced people (with rewards for success and penalties for target failure) - and privatised the likes of the Post Office and the buses (albeit sometimes with subsidies) we'd get far more value for money IMO.

The private sector here are sick to the back teeth of funding the imbecilic wastrels in this overbloated, over-pensioned and overpaid government.

 

[WTF]

it's also a facility too large for the available through put since farmers were being paid to garden rather than farm animals for slaughter

[Non-Believer]

8 minutes ago, Albert Tatlock said:

It's piss poor leadership and low quality management. Inexperienced and often untrained people, incapable or unwilling to make the difficult choices often required when running large entities. They manage £millions of public monies with no accountability and no penalties for failure - and when they do screw up, they are simply moved to another area to do the same again. When money gets tight they simply reduce services rather than reduce staff.

The whole model needs to change. If we paid more for leadership and contracted in experienced people (with rewards for success and penalties for target failure) - and privatised the likes of the Post Office and the buses (albeit sometimes with subsidies) we'd get far more value for money IMO.

The private sector here are sick to the back teeth of funding the imbecilic wastrels in this overbloated, over-pensioned and overpaid government.

 

It's also all part of a culture that has grown fat, lazy and self-serving over the years on the expectancy of a huge annual VAT rebate from HMRC. Effectively money for nothing.

[Omobono]

2 hours ago, Banker said:

No problem at dairy which has a good leadership & product 

No but every so often we chuck a few more million in , like to waste money on recyclable milk cartons , their prices have rocketed and cheese portions reduced in size ,  they look to be pricing themselves out of the market place especially when similar products cost much less !

[Omobono]

1 hour ago, offshoremanxman said:

In the private sector “management” has moved on from sitting behind a desk telling people what to do years ago. It’s about managing the business and analyzing service delivery and trends to stay ahead. You can pretty much guess that management in the public sector has largely remained sitting behind a big desk telling people what to do.  

No ,    many of them are sitting at at desk at home   distance working , the whole of government needs  a total revamp  we still don't have a chief secretary or anyone who appears to be in charge at the top , and all the politicians want to do is sit on silly committees or go on useless parliamentary trips , come on boys and girls the ship if floundering ! YOU COUNTRY NEEDS YOU !

[Max Power]

I'm sure that key words from that report could be transposed to many areas of government. 

It sounds as though the Meat Plant needs a total clearout? It's not the most pleasant of working environments by any means, people should be rewarded accordingly and managed properly in all aspects. 

Actually it's frightening, and probably a really difficult one to get your head around in a short space of time but somebody has to begin somewhere. 

[mollag]

I thought the abattoir was built with public funds to serve private businesses [farmers] who control the supply of meat , setting the buy in and sell out values,  do we still provide export subsidies and  pay for the waste disposal for them?

Why would anyone with that monopoly worry about financial matters, tis just another snouting trough.  Sod it, give them some more money for this upcoming unusually wet/dry winter, why change ingrained habits?

 

Edited November 10, 2022 by mollag

[Jarndyce]

4 hours ago, Omobono said:

6 hours ago, Banker said:

No problem at dairy which has a good leadership & product 

No but every so often we chuck a few more million in , like to waste money on recyclable milk cartons

Who are we, in the statement above?   Presumably not IOMG/taxpayers - I might be wrong (and stand to be corrected, of course) but my understanding was the IOM Creamery was a private entity, owned by a conglomerate of dairy farmers, NOT a government operation.   So who’s chucking the millions in?

[Roger Mexico]

5 hours ago, cissolt said:

https://gef.im/2021/07/09/report-makes-mincemeat-of-meat-co/

Clare barber was minister when the last report was published, what has she and comin been doing to fix the problems?

No she wasn't Minister - that was Boot.  She was Chair of the committee that produced the report:

https://www.tynwald.org.im/business/pp/Reports/2021-PP-0150.pdf

which was agreed by Tynwald against CoMin opposition in the last Tynwald of the previous CoMin.  Presumably she's been trying to get it audited since she was appointed Minister a year ago, but there may have been CS opposition and it being an 'arms length' company may have slowed things down.

[Roger Mexico]

5 hours ago, WTF said:

it's also a facility too large for the available through put since farmers were being paid to garden rather than farm animals for slaughter

Actually it was always too large and this was pointed out at the time it was built.  But as ever the desires of the building industry and fantasies of growth took precedence over reality.

[mollag]

Will we see the return of privately owned abattoirs?  

 

Is there any other "Manx" product that is essential that we are self sufficient in, apart from those items that garner Farmers subsidies from the public purse?  And those that do now, how come we overproduce so much?

[WTF]

17 minutes ago, mollag said:

Will we see the return of privately owned abattoirs?  

 

Is there any other "Manx" product that is essential that we are self sufficient in, apart from those items that garner Farmers subsidies from the public purse?  And those that do now, how come we overproduce so much?

we don't over produce as far as i can tell , we just don't sell stuff at a reasonable price , it come comes down to 400 farmers trying to make a living off enough land that would only support a handful of farmers using modern farming methods , farming on the island is a  living museum 

Edited November 10, 2022 by WTF