finlo Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 (edited) On 11/22/2022 at 10:13 AM, Happier diner said: No they won't Just reading the latest on this and when Daffers forces us all into EV's and heat pumps when demand outstrips supply they'll just turn off our supply's or price us out to cope! So no plans to upgrade the network just financially penalize people for having the temerity to turn on their cookers at tea time. Edited February 11, 2023 by finlo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 15 minutes ago, finlo said: Just reading the latest on this and when Daffers forces us all into EV's and heat pumps when demand outstrips supply they'll just turn off our supply's or price us out to cope! So no plans to upgrade the network just financially penalize people for having the temerity to turn on their cookers at tea time. Not sure what that's got to do with smart meters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 1 minute ago, Happier diner said: Not sure what that's got to do with smart meters. Because it's in the latest smart meter article on MR? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 8 minutes ago, finlo said: Because it's in the latest smart meter article on MR? I see what you mean. He must mean that people can spread their load to avoid peak times. I'm pretty sure the smart meters that are being fitted can't turn off your power remotely or even limit its use. Only the pre payment ones have that facility AFAIK. I'm not really sure what he is on about TBH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, Happier diner said: I see what you mean. He must mean that people can spread their load to avoid peak times. I'm pretty sure the smart meters that are being fitted can't turn off your power remotely or even limit its use. Only the pre payment ones have that facility AFAIK. I'm not really sure what he is on about TBH They can certainly alter the tariffs to "discourage" using things when it suits you rather than them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 Just now, finlo said: They can certainly alter the tariffs to "discourage" using things when it suits you rather than them! That's true. They can do that easily enough. Although multiple tariffs have been around for many a year and well before smart meters. Its much easier with the smart meter. Maybe that's the plan. Charge us a higher rate when daffers plugs in her EV and turns her heat pump to max. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 1 minute ago, Happier diner said: That's true. They can do that easily enough. Although multiple tariffs have been around for many a year and well before smart meters. Its much easier with the smart meter. Maybe that's the plan. Charge us a higher rate when daffers plugs in her EV and turns her heat pump to max. Well they are certainly not being fitted for the benefit of the consumer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Smurf Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 18 million. £18,000,000 of taxpayers money. Our money. Our kids future money. What is there not to like? Apologies there is nothing to like. Normal wasting of other people's money that would never have happed in the private sector. Rip out perfectly good meters and bin them. What's green about that? Same as Douglas Corporation ripping out thousands of working street light heads and replacing then for led. Why not simply wait till the damned things stop working? P!ss money away like there is no tomorrow. 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
360 View Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 This is an interesting read https://energysavingtrust.org.uk/smart-meters-explained-what-you-need-to-know/ especially: “If you already have a smart meter, you may need to have a replacement fitted before 2024. This is because your older smart meter may not meet the technical specifications required by the UK Government. Some older smart meters are not easily switched between suppliers and won’t necessarily allow you to have access to future data services, such as advanced time of use tariffs. Second generation smart meter models, known as SMETS2 smart meters, will allow you to access all these services.” Presumably MUA will be buying the most up to date versions, or is it another case of being sold a job lot bargain at a special IOM “discounted” rate (known in the trade as Mugs Rate) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 8 minutes ago, 360 View said: This is an interesting read https://energysavingtrust.org.uk/smart-meters-explained-what-you-need-to-know/ especially: “If you already have a smart meter, you may need to have a replacement fitted before 2024. This is because your older smart meter may not meet the technical specifications required by the UK Government. Some older smart meters are not easily switched between suppliers and won’t necessarily allow you to have access to future data services, such as advanced time of use tariffs. Second generation smart meter models, known as SMETS2 smart meters, will allow you to access all these services.” Presumably MUA will be buying the most up to date versions, or is it another case of being sold a job lot bargain at a special IOM “discounted” rate (known in the trade as Mugs Rate) I have experience in this field and the one thing I can guarantee is they won't work with MT's "unique" network! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallMeCurious Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 10 hours ago, Happier diner said: Not sure what that's got to do with smart meters. The electricity still costs the same. No user benefit ~ a new meter doesn't make the energy more efficient somehow. The meter is read remotely. No user benefit ~ did we get a discount becasue no meter readers are now needed? Individual meters and no doubt groups of meters by area and essentialness can be turned off remotely. No user benefit. Why do you think government were so keen to fund the change? So they can load shed 'non-essential' users when peak demand exceeds capacity. Also a means to ration consumption to limit CO2 credit score and 'encourage' self-generation. The phone network is the same. Cell towers have a limited capacity, why do youn think they popup temproary towers over TT. 'Essential' users have priority to stop the system collapsing. Bet your bottom dollar that the great and the good will always make sure they are essential. There is not sufficient network capacity to have enough 21kW EV fast chargers for 15,000 vehicles on top of base load and that does not allow anyhting for all the commercial vehicle and HGV & PSV energy requirements. Add in the unreliability of renewable as it becomes a larger part of the supply and you can see waht they are planning. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 1 minute ago, CallMeCurious said: The electricity still costs the same. No user benefit ~ a new meter doesn't make the energy more efficient somehow. The meter is read remotely. No user benefit ~ did we get a discount becasue no meter readers are now needed? Individual meters and no doubt groups of meters by area and essentialness can be turned off remotely. No user benefit. Why do you think government were so keen to fund the change? So they can load shed 'non-essential' users when peak demand exceeds capacity. Also a means to ration consumption to limit CO2 credit score and 'encourage' self-generation. The phone network is the same. Cell towers have a limited capacity, why do youn think they popup temproary towers over TT. 'Essential' users have priority to stop the system collapsing. Bet your bottom dollar that the great and the good will always make sure they are essential. There is not sufficient network capacity to have enough 21kW EV fast chargers for 15,000 vehicles on top of base load and that does not allow anyhting for all the commercial vehicle and HGV & PSV energy requirements. Add in the unreliability of renewable as it becomes a larger part of the supply and you can see waht they are planning. Nail head squarely hit! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallMeCurious Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Bazza Smurf said: 18 million. £18,000,000 of taxpayers money. Our money. Our kids future money. What is there not to like? Apologies there is nothing to like. Normal wasting of other people's money that would never have happed in the private sector. Rip out perfectly good meters and bin them. What's green about that? Same as Douglas Corporation ripping out thousands of working street light heads and replacing then for led. Why not simply wait till the damned things stop working? P!ss money away like there is no tomorrow. Irony is the all new singing all dancing 3G based wireless controls are stand alone so that could have been done. The ones at the new Ballasalla roundabout look ludicrous. Massive pole and tiny head..... ew err missus. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 49 minutes ago, CallMeCurious said: Irony is the all new singing all dancing 3G based wireless controls are stand alone so that could have been done. The ones at the new Ballasalla roundabout look ludicrous. Massive pole and tiny head..... ew err missus. It's not 3g. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallMeCurious Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 5 minutes ago, Happier diner said: It's not 3g. or whatever wireless CMS sytem it is. Had a demo where they geolocate each lamppost so it can report a failure back to base on a map and also dim down the lighting between midnight and dawn to save energy costs. RTC seem to have the wait til it fails replacement philosophy judging by the mixture they have about town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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