0bserver Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 Interesting piece on NPM by Gawne with Chris Thomas, Daphne Caine, and Charles Guard. https://www.manxradio.com/radioplayer/od/items/perspective-20th-november/ Why Thomas doesn't just come clean and tell the trainspotters that there is no money is beyond me. The suggestion to cut the railways back to Castletown and Laxey is a good one. Charles Guard, if you care so much about heritage then you pay for it all and stop expecting tax payer's to fund your hobbies. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah 01 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 Do you mean to say that HLS1 (High Low Speed), to link Port Erin to Ramsey and decrease journey times by several hours, has been shelved? 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AOR Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 6 hours ago, 0bserver said: Why Thomas doesn't just come clean and tell the trainspotters that there is no money is beyond me. He knows as well as you do that if he said that he would be out on his arse at the next election. Ann Corlett received more votes than he did at the last one. In Manx Politics there can be no bigger gypsy's warning than that (except Chris Robertshaw scraping in with less than ten votes over Jono Joughin in Douglas East). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightening McQueen Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 Converting the tram line between Ramsey and Laxey into a cycle/footpath seems like a good idea to me! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 Anything that has Gawne written on it, is likely to cost untraceable millions ! 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoops Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 (edited) We really aren't allowed nice things anymore, are we? There seems to be money for grandiose schemes in Douglas and Liverpool, but not for the maintenance of what we were left by the people with vision and craftmanship that came before us. Meanwhile, their plan to homogenise the island in CCP approved granite slabs continues apace. Comrade Thomas is being sent in to pacify Peel. Edit - it's amazing how these things were kept going when the island was skint in the early eighties. Edited November 21, 2022 by Hoops 10 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Hoops said: We really aren't allowed nice things anymore, are we? There seems to be money for grandiose schemes in Douglas and Liverpool, but not for the maintenance of what we were left by the people with vision and craftmanship that came before us. Meanwhile, their plan to homogenise the island in CCP approved granite slabs continues apace. Comrade Thomas is being sent in to pacify Peel. Edit - it's amazing how these things were kept going when the island was skint in the early eighties. If IOMG kept on top of maintenance and took care of infrastructure instead of letting it go to ruin, then maybe it wouldn’t cost mega millions to replace, which in turn causes uproar. Schemes like Peel are nice to have but aren’t essential and are certainly are not going to improve Peel economy. Edited November 21, 2022 by 2112 8 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 We are now coping with government poverty but the wholesale waste throughout Government and the CS has never been addressed ! 6 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
english zloty Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 Oh Mr Beeching.. Always a popular character in history 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellie Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 9 hours ago, 0bserver said: Interesting piece on NPM by Gawne with Chris Thomas, Daphne Caine, and Charles Guard. https://www.manxradio.com/radioplayer/od/items/perspective-20th-november/ Why Thomas doesn't just come clean and tell the trainspotters that there is no money is beyond me. The suggestion to cut the railways back to Castletown and Laxey is a good one. Charles Guard, if you care so much about heritage then you pay for it all and stop expecting tax payer's to fund your hobbies. Except he didn’t really say that. What he did infer was that if things got really desperate with Government finances the partial closure of the railways is the sort of thing they’d have to look at. Probably alongside lots of other none critical expenditure (and there’s a lot of that). He’d also do well to look at history. The Steam and Electric railways have both operated in shortened forms in the past and the results were not clever. Big reductions in passengers and revenue and not much reduction in costs. In typical IOMG fashion, the fixed costs are huge. Layers of managers, supervisors, engineers, that didn’t exist in the days when the railways were carrying 20 times more people than they are today, and operating all year round. The ‘capital’ programme also needs looking at. There are (or at least were) several million in the budget each year for track relays. Many of you will have seen this going on between Groudle and the Liverpool Arms over recent Winters. People who work on the railways will tell you this is not essential work, but nice to have. The problem is, that CT will be getting bamboozled by his officers, as always desperate to protect their fiefdoms. Some outside advice, on different ways of working, and not being given by people with vested interests, would seem like a sensible starting point. 3 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passing Time Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Nellie said: Except he didn’t really say that. What he did infer was that if things got really desperate with Government finances the partial closure of the railways is the sort of thing they’d have to look at. Probably alongside lots of other none critical expenditure (and there’s a lot of that). He’d also do well to look at history. The Steam and Electric railways have both operated in shortened forms in the past and the results were not clever. Big reductions in passengers and revenue and not much reduction in costs. In typical IOMG fashion, the fixed costs are huge. Layers of managers, supervisors, engineers, that didn’t exist in the days when the railways were carrying 20 times more people than they are today, and operating all year round. The ‘capital’ programme also needs looking at. There are (or at least were) several million in the budget each year for track relays. Many of you will have seen this going on between Groudle and the Liverpool Arms over recent Winters. People who work on the railways will tell you this is not essential work, but nice to have. The problem is, that CT will be getting bamboozled by his officers, as always desperate to protect their fiefdoms. Some outside advice, on different ways of working, and not being given by people with vested interests, would seem like a sensible starting point. Away with your nonsense - facts have no place on this forum... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passing Time Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 Thankfully, the IOM is not run by the minority on this forum... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, Nellie said: Except he didn’t really say that. What he did infer was that if things got really desperate with Government finances the partial closure of the railways is the sort of thing they’d have to look at. Probably alongside lots of other none critical expenditure (and there’s a lot of that). He’d also do well to look at history. The Steam and Electric railways have both operated in shortened forms in the past and the results were not clever. Big reductions in passengers and revenue and not much reduction in costs. In typical IOMG fashion, the fixed costs are huge. Layers of managers, supervisors, engineers, that didn’t exist in the days when the railways were carrying 20 times more people than they are today, and operating all year round. The ‘capital’ programme also needs looking at. There are (or at least were) several million in the budget each year for track relays. Many of you will have seen this going on between Groudle and the Liverpool Arms over recent Winters. People who work on the railways will tell you this is not essential work, but nice to have. The problem is, that CT will be getting bamboozled by his officers, as always desperate to protect their fiefdoms. Some outside advice, on different ways of working, and not being given by people with vested interests, would seem like a sensible starting point. That is what I heard also. In fact, what he did say was that it may be in contingency plans for a disaster scenario, implying to me that it was in done else's, probably Treasury's, contingency plans not DOI's. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 3 hours ago, Lightening McQueen said: Converting the tram line between Ramsey and Laxey into a cycle/footpath seems like a good idea to me! Yup. Riding up 'Rest and be thankful' is a bitch. Although based on their recent attempts at cycle lanes (Pulrose bridge, Fishers Hill to Gansey and Ballasalla new roundabout) god knows what they would do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offshoremanxman Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 (edited) There is certainly no need for the MER to operate further than Laxey. It makes total sense to end it there and turn the rest into a cycle and walkway to Ramsey. Most people must be bored s***less by the time they get to Laxey anyway. Edited November 21, 2022 by offshoremanxman 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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