finlo Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 23 minutes ago, Stu Peters said: Those with second or collector cars who only tax for summer use. I thought you couldn't tax for 6 months just pay six monthly at a premium just to further put the boot in to the impoverished? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 34 minutes ago, Stu Peters said: Those with second or collector cars who only tax for summer use. Is that the proposal? I'm all for that. What about an equivalent or sorn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meoir Shee Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 4 hours ago, Dirty Buggane said: I have nothing whats so ever to do with cycling and active travel, so why should I have to pay for it. I am already paying and may I say handsomely for my car travel, why should I subsidise some beardie in a hair shirt and lycra. The thought that car drivers pay anywhere near the true costs of motoring is simply wrong. Car transport is hugely subsidized by the rest of society. Those “beardies in a hair shirt and lycra” are undeniably subsidizing your car journey. “Social costs, including market and non-market costs, thus represent significant subsidies forwarded to vehicle owners, with far-reaching implication for transport behaviour and traffic outcomes. These are defined in this paper as the external cost imposed on society.” The lifetime cost of driving a car Lifetime Cost Of Small Car $689,000; Society Subsidizes This Ownership With $275,000 QUANTIFYING THE EXTERNAL COSTS OF VEHICLE USE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 (edited) I guess what really annoys me is that these cyclists have no sense of shame and their complete ingratitude for all the public money that is thrown into them pursuing their hobby. A little contrition would go a long way to changing the public perception of them. Edited February 9, 2023 by The Voice of Reason 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bastard Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 Just now, The Voice of Reason said: I guess what really annoys me is that these cyclists have no sense of shame and their complete ingratitude for all the public money that is thrown into their hobby. A little contrition would go a long way to changing the public perception of them. Same goes for golfers and their municipal courses, boaters with their slipways and boat storage, parents with their free schools, pedestrians with their pavements, sick people with their excessive doctors and choice of hospitals, really sick people with their hospices. Bastards. I can't believe they're not lined up in front of your house in the morning to thank you for the VAT from your tena pads and personal lubricant. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cissolt Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 1 minute ago, The Bastard said: Same goes for golfers and their municipal courses, boaters with their slipways and boat storage, parents with their free schools, pedestrians with their pavements, sick people with their excessive doctors and choice of hospitals, really sick people with their hospices. Bastards. I can't believe they're not lined up in front of your house in the morning to thank you for the VAT from your tena pads and personal lubricant. Golfers and boaters don't get government subsided clubs or boats though? https://www.erinbikehut.im/cycle-to-work/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 7 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: I guess what really annoys me is that these cyclists have no sense of shame and their complete ingratitude for all the public money that is thrown into them pursuing their hobby. A little contrition would go a long way to changing the public perception of them. What public money goes to cyclists to fund their hobby? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bastard Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, cissolt said: Golfers and boaters don't get government subsided clubs or boats though? https://www.erinbikehut.im/cycle-to-work/ That is what you took from that piece ? Really ? That ? Of course they do. The municipal courses are funded by local authorities who tax you via rates - the giveaway is the word "municipal". All of the harbour boat storage, harbour control and the slipways are funded through taxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meoir Shee Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 9 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: I guess what really annoys me is that these cyclists have no sense of shame and their complete ingratitude for all the public money that is thrown into them pursuing their hobby. A little contrition would go a long way to changing the public perception of them. I’m a driver and what really annoys me is that fellow drivers have no sense of shame and their complete ingratitude for all the public money that is thrown at them. Not-So-Free Ride Research from New Zealand suggests that the social cost of car related accidents alone is NZ$4.9bn. The average cost of a fatality is cNZ$4.5m. Social cost of road crashes and injuries 2019 update 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 19 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: I guess what really annoys me is that these cyclists have no sense of shame and their complete ingratitude for all the public money that is thrown into them pursuing their hobby. Looking at the Pully, Ballasalla and Pooil Vaish cycle lanes, I'd agree that I am completely ungrateful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meoir Shee Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 Just some more facts to digest: “Results suggest that each kilometer driven by car incurs an external cost of €0.11, while cycling and walking represent benefits of €0.18 and €0.37 per kilometer. Extrapolated to the total number of passenger kilometers driven, cycled or walked in the European Union, the cost of automobility is about €500 billion per year. Due to positive health effects, cycling is an external benefit worth €24 billion per year and walking €66 billion per year.” The Social Cost of Automobility, Cycling and Walking in the European Union To summarize, car transport is massively subsidized, cycling and walking should be subsidized even more. Full disclosure, I am a driver, cyclist and, of course, walker. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 49 minutes ago, finlo said: I thought you couldn't tax for 6 months just pay six monthly at a premium just to further put the boot in to the impoverished? £6 per payment premium isn't it? So an extra £36 for the privilege. The question is of course, 1) what "losses" are predicted to arise from this most generous offer? And then, 2) what increase in overall tax take will arise from the "10%" rises in VED? I'm going for a few thousand at most for 1). And a mill or two for 2). They'll be telling us next that it's almost revenue neutral of course... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 15 minutes ago, The Bastard said: That is what you took from that piece ? Really ? That ? Of course they do. The municipal courses are funded by local authorities who tax you via rates - the giveaway is the word "municipal". All of the harbour boat storage, harbour control and the slipways are funded through taxes. And what are harbour dues for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bastard Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 7 minutes ago, finlo said: And what are harbour dues for? Sigh. Same argument again. All your taxes go into a pot. Everyone who pays any form of tax funds harbours, roads, hospitals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meoir Shee Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, The Bastard said: Sigh. Same argument again. All your taxes go into a pot. Everyone who pays any form of tax funds harbours, roads, hospitals. That isn’t quite true, it is a well known fact that only car drivers pay for their roads. 😉 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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