Steady Eddie Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 11 hours ago, Augustus said: He sounds half-mad. Delete. Only half? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 12 hours ago, Omobono said: the prize for the Islands shortest cycle lane must be to the new left turn and arrow painted on the highway at the entrance of the Western civic amenity site at St Johns , just altered the old railway lines crossing laid 100 + yards of yellow lines in the countryside with tactile paving for blind cyclists , case of shutting the stable door after a tragic event , and now utterly over the top , if the job had been done properly in the first place there would have been no need to waste all this money ,and still no one in DOI walks for negligence 12 hours ago, Hoops said: I'm still waiting for someone to explain what the **** the Lezayre Road cycle lane -that begins in the DOI depot, meanders across the road and then waxes and wanes for a while before disappearing - is all about. Who sanctioned it and who did it so badly. Where there any ramifications for such a shoddy bit of 'workmanship' and 'management'. Or was it so someone could claim we've hit our goal of x miles of cycle paths this year? I think we're missing an opportunity here. We could have tourist trail of the most bizzare and pointless cycle lanes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, The Phantom said: I think we're missing an opportunity here. We could have tourist trail of the most bizzare and pointless cycle lanes. Someone beat us to the idea across. https://www.amazon.com/Crap-Cycle-Lanes-Worst-Britain/dp/1903070589 There is some stiff competition for us. Looks like we are trying dammed hard to compete though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, Happier diner said: Someone beat us to the idea across. https://www.amazon.com/Crap-Cycle-Lanes-Worst-Britain/dp/1903070589 There is some stiff competition for us. Looks like we are trying dammed hard to compete though. That book is from 2007. Give us some time, we've only been doing cycle lanes for a few years. I'm quietly confident we will have some sort of psychedelic Dali-esque tourist cycle trail in the near future. Maybe we could have one across Ramsey Bay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc.fixit Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 13 hours ago, Two-lane said: It is not a cycle lane, although it does have the hallmark of a DoI installation. Because the trail starts in the depot, I assume that a large can of white paint on the back of a truck fell over as the truck departed. We've already commented on this, One of the operatives set off without checking taps hence the wandering line and the attempt a few months ago to cover it with dark paint. It is not a bicycle lane but an honest mistake by an employee. The proper lane as you go past Jewsons, (or whatever it's called nowadays), has a broken white line so yes, you can use it in a car etc if a situation warrants it as long as there is not a cyclist in the part of it you need to use. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, doc.fixit said: ), has a broken white line so yes, you can use it in a car etc if a situation warrants it as long as there is not a cyclist in the part of it you need to use. The rules are a bit vague. As I understand it in the UK; A broken line means you can cross it but you have to give way to cycles in the lane A solid line means you cannot cross it unless there is an obstruction and again you have to give way to cycles. You are not permitted to park (obstruct) a cycle lane that has a solid line There is no legislation in the Isle of Man and it only gets a cursory mention in the IOM Highway code. Strangely woolly use of 'unavoidable' Cycle lanes These are shown by road markings and signs. You MUST NOT drive or park in a cycle lane marked by a solid white line during its times of operation. Do not drive or park in a cycle lane marked by a broken white line unless it is unavoidable. You MUST NOT park in any cycle lane whilst waiting restrictions apply. [GB Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984, ss. 5 and 8] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 23 minutes ago, doc.fixit said: We've already commented on this, One of the operatives set off without checking taps hence the wandering line and the attempt a few months ago to cover it with dark paint. It is not a bicycle lane but an honest mistake by an employee. The proper lane as you go past Jewsons, (or whatever it's called nowadays), has a broken white line so yes, you can use it in a car etc if a situation warrants it as long as there is not a cyclist in the part of it you need to use. I genuinely thought you were joking. You are aren't you? This is becoming an all too familiar occurrence. I'm regularly not sure if something undertaken by the DOI is an accident, a joke or serious. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 13 hours ago, The Bastard said: LOL, that's already the situation for bikes more than 250 watts, so your increase is pointless. Electric motorcycles are also a separate class where everything you've specified is already mandatory. Increasing the wattage for pedal-assisted e-bikes to 750w doesn't turn them into motorcycles - the bottom-end electric moped equivalent is throttle-controlled and typically has around 4000 watts, electric motorcycles in the A2 class typically have 34000 watts or more. We're talking about a pedal-assisted bicycle, so it's odd that it seems you feel so threatened, and that you think over-regulation is the answer. You miss the point. Pedal assisted, 750watt e cycles are available, and in the uk require the rider to be at least 16 with at least a moped license (CBT) and at least a bicycle helmet. As they are capable of nearly 30mph, they should also be insured, at least 3rd party. Over here, mopeds, which are restricted to around 30mph, require a full motorcycle license, road tax, insurance and proper motorcycle helmet. 750watt e-cycles should be the same, or ease the restrictions on mopeds, which have smaller carbon footprints anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiVibes Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 12 minutes ago, Cambon said: You miss the point. Pedal assisted, 750watt e cycles are available, and in the uk require the rider to be at least 16 with at least a moped license (CBT) and at least a bicycle helmet. As they are capable of nearly 30mph, they should also be insured, at least 3rd party. Over here, mopeds, which are restricted to around 30mph, require a full motorcycle license, road tax, insurance and proper motorcycle helmet. 750watt e-cycles should be the same, or ease the restrictions on mopeds, which have smaller carbon footprints anyway. Following your logic if you drive a car over 1000cc capabale of a top speed over 70 miles per hour you should have extra training and a crash helmet. Why any car is road legal beyond 70mph makes no sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 1 hour ago, The Phantom said: I genuinely thought you were joking. You are aren't you? This is becoming an all too familiar occurrence. I'm regularly not sure if something undertaken by the DOI is an accident, a joke or serious. I assumed it was a joke as well. Even as a DOI apologist😆 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 15 minutes ago, HiVibes said: Following your logic if you drive a car over 1000cc capabale of a top speed over 70 miles per hour you should have extra training and a crash helmet. Why any car is road legal beyond 70mph makes no sense. I'm not sure I understand your thinking. He is only quoting the laws. An e bike goes from being a bicycle to being a motorcycle when it can go over 18mph using the motor. Seems sensible to me Also, no car is road legal above 70mph. Do you mean capable of....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiVibes Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, Happier diner said: I'm not sure I understand your thinking. He is only quoting the laws. An e bike goes from being a bicycle to being a motorcycle when it can go over 18mph using the motor. Seems sensible to me Also, no car is road legal above 70mph. Do you mean capable of....? Yes obviously no reason why any vehicle should be capable of driving beyond safe or legal limits on a public road, scooters are limited why not cars? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 22 minutes ago, HiVibes said: Yes obviously no reason why any vehicle should be capable of driving beyond safe or legal limits on a public road, scooters are limited why not cars? You know we have some roads with no speed limits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiVibes Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 10 minutes ago, The Phantom said: You know we have some roads with no speed limits? Yep, I know quite a few people who have died as a result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 (edited) 59 minutes ago, HiVibes said: Yes obviously no reason why any vehicle should be capable of driving beyond safe or legal limits on a public road, scooters are limited why not cars? Most cars are speed limited. Mine is electronically limited to 155mph. regarding your e-cycle point, the U.K. law states that any powered vehicle capable of achieving or exceeding 25mph requires specialist training and a valid license, if used on public roads. Why should e-cycled be any different? Edited November 23, 2022 by Cambon Missed a bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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