Jarndyce Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 13 hours ago, TheTeapot said: They should just fuck off Who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 1 hour ago, 2112 said: The Treasury should be modelling several scenarios before the budget, But to what end? UK budget October 2024 for 25/26 financial year. Manx budget March 2025 for 25/26 financial year. Are you suggesting that 5 months isn’t enough to model short term. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moghrey Mie Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 2 hours ago, 2112 said: Brains of Mann, Treasury Minister Allinson has been on the NPM telling us that the Treasury will assess the impact of the UK budget on the Island. The Treasury should be modelling several scenarios before the budget, then assess impacts after it’s been announced. From the NPM - The last couple of years have been challenging, and I don't see that ending soon", says minister The treasury minister believes the next couple of years 'will be challenging', and that many governments across Western Europe are facing similar difficulties. Earlier this week, UK Prime Minister Kier Starmer warned of a 'painful' autumn budget but insists his election pledge not to hike VAT or National Insurance would be kept. Minister Dr Alex Allinson says the Manx government will continue to monitor the situation but notes fiscal decisions made in Westminster can still directly impact the Island. But he remains optimistic, telling Manx Radio the Isle of Man has a "very resilient economy": They could get Sir Keir Starmer's name right. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RecklessAbandon Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 1 hour ago, Banker said: Not sure quoting a holocaust poem will gain much support except from farage supporters. It has not gone down well with several prominent Jewish groups, some of which have made public statements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 5 hours ago, Jarndyce said: Who? Puritans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 7 hours ago, La Colombe said: Don't worry, McVey's on it. And amazingly still hasn't deleted this. 7 hours ago, Banker said: Not sure quoting a holocaust poem will gain much support except from farage supporters. 6 hours ago, RecklessAbandon said: It has not gone down well with several prominent Jewish groups, some of which have made public statements. She’s truncated it a bit as well. Weird comparison Niemöller actually wrote First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me @Banker it’s not necessarily a Holocaust poem. It’s about anyone, possibly in a minority, who keeps their head down and doesn’t act in solidarity when the rights of other minorities are infringed. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Colombe Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 Double down on it! Lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 13 minutes ago, La Colombe said: Double down on it! Lol. Ah, the outcome of a private education in UK is just as likely to produce English politicians with a vacuum between their ears as KWC and Manx politicians. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoopsaa Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 4 hours ago, John Wright said: Ah, the outcome of a private education in UK is just as likely to produce English politicians with a vacuum between their ears as KWC and Manx politicians. And she manages to deflect attention away from labour and back to her, and her party. What a moronic tweet. Jess Phillips comments about her hospital visit not the brightest, either. But then, she did compare the awful events on new years eve in cologne a few years ago to wolf whistling. Absolutely nowhere to turn to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 Whilst we are all busy worrying about the finer points of what some politician meant when quoting (badly) a poem intended to raise awareness of the problem of not speaking up for others, our liberties are being eroded by a government intent on crushing dissent! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 Back on topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Colombe Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 3 minutes ago, Max Power said: Whilst we are all busy worrying about the finer points of what some politician meant when quoting (badly) a poem intended to raise awareness of the problem of not speaking up for others, our liberties are being eroded by a government intent on crushing dissent! Oh don't be so silly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoopsaa Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 (edited) 1 hour ago, La Colombe said: Oh don't be so silly. The mooted 'non-crime hate' laws should worry everyone. Next time the right get in, they may decide the things YOU think are common sense are hateful. Edited August 30 by hoopsaa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barlow Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 15 hours ago, 2112 said: . . . has been on the NPM telling us that . . . Oh fuck, are we back to all this 'NPM' shite again. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 21 hours ago, John Wright said: She’s truncated it a bit as well. Weird comparison Niemöller actually wrote First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me @Banker it’s not necessarily a Holocaust poem. It’s about anyone, possibly in a minority, who keeps their head down and doesn’t act in solidarity when the rights of other minorities are infringed. McVey is (and always has been) a splendid example of just how dim, self-obsessed and simply unpleasant you can be and still do very well in both the media and politics in Britain - in so far as those are separate things nowadays. Having the right connections helps of course, if you look at why most people get attacked in the media, the reasons boil down to "Not being one of our mates" while mates' horrendous behaviour gets ignored. But increasingly being dim, self-obsessed and simply unpleasant are the only qualities that are deemed acceptable in that world. Anyone with intelligence or who genuinely cares about other people is regarded with suspicion at best. That said McVey is mostly being attacked for the wrong reasons here. She's not wrong because it's insensitive (though it is) or a wildly disproportionate reaction (obviously so) but because it's hypocritical. She'd be ecstatic if if they came for Communists, Socialists and trade unionists and has spent her time in Parliament voting to restrict liberties along with the rest of her Party. She's just demanding that everyone else support her to do whatever she wants, while no one else gets support in return - quite the opposite. Which of course is the point that Niemoller was making. But she's too dim and self-obsessed to realise. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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