Banker Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 7 minutes ago, Happier diner said: That's true. But if you get 2 years paid notice that is pensionable you are quids in aren't you? .2 more years service. 2 years less reduction and hey 2 years pay as well. Win win win. Why would you get 2 years notice? It’s normally 1 month but could be 3/6 months for very senior positions. That never ever happens! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 14 minutes ago, Banker said: Why would you get 2 years notice? It’s normally 1 month but could be 3/6 months for very senior positions. That never ever happens! I'll bet you any money it does. Dressed up as a compromise agreement. Why do you think they go so quietly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Boo Gay'n said: The government simply can't risk ex-senior civil servants and doctors (Ewart) going to the media with their detailed inside knowledge and so signs Faustian pacts to shut them up, even if it costs a shed-load of money. Gracious me, in our transparent, squeaky clean and well-regulated jurisdiction which regularly dispatches members of its Government to other jurisdictions in order to guide them in best democratic practice? Surely not? If the taxpayers are paying so handsomely for this (and we are) then surely those paying taxpayers have every right to know why it's so necessary to gag departing employees with such lucrative terms? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 47 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: Gracious me, in our transparent, squeaky clean and well-regulated jurisdiction which regularly dispatches members of its Government to other jurisdictions in order to guide them in best democratic practice? Surely not? If the taxpayers are paying so handsomely for this (and we are) then surely those paying taxpayers have every right to know why it's so necessary to gag departing employees with such lucrative terms? It's probably cheaper then redundancy and the risk of an unfair dismissal case is zero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Boo Gay'n said: That leaves us with settlement agreements, the terms of which cannot be divulged by former employer or former employee. All of the people mentioned in recent posts (plus Richard Wild a couple of weeks ago) will have left via that route and, as I have said elsewhere I understand (on good authority) that the 'package' is always better than redundancy - possibly up to two years worth of salary. The government simply can't risk ex-senior civil servants and doctors (Ewart) going to the media with their detailed inside knowledge and so signs Faustian pacts to shut them up, even if it costs a shed-load of money. Both Greenhow and Ewart were specifically said to be retiring. Greenhow would have been in the civil service long enough to have retirement at 60 grandfathered in and a couple of years pay in lieu would certainly have got him to that point. And of course he would have known where all the bodies are buried - he put most of them there himself. That said, I suspect Watterson's question was about something else entirely - the July start date makes it look as he wanted to exclude the Ranson fallout from any totals. But redundancies used to be very rare in the Civil Service, even when people's jobs vanished they used to be kept on until they could be slotted into the next suitable (or indeed unsuitable) vacancy. So even four may mean there is a story there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kipper99 Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Banker said: Why would you get 2 years notice? It’s normally 1 month but could be 3/6 months for very senior positions. That never ever happens! No wonder RBS collapsed if ignoramuses like you were management material. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: Both Greenhow and Ewart were specifically said to be retiring. Greenhow would have been in the civil service long enough to have retirement at 60 grandfathered in and a couple of years pay in lieu would certainly have got him to that point. And of course he would have known where all the bodies are buried - he put most of them there himself. That said, I suspect Watterson's question was about something else entirely - the July start date makes it look as he wanted to exclude the Ranson fallout from any totals. But redundancies used to be very rare in the Civil Service, even when people's jobs vanished they used to be kept on until they could be slotted into the next suitable (or indeed unsuitable) vacancy. So even four may mean there is a story there. will it be that people were paid off only to be taken back on shortly afterwards ? Edited December 27, 2022 by WTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, Kipper99 said: No wonder RBS collapsed if ignoramuses like you were management material. No wonder the police force was so shit & bullied so many people with idiots like you about 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kipper99 Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, Banker said: No wonder the police force was so shit & bullied so many people with idiots like you about Rotflmao! I’m not, never have been, in the police. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 (edited) Mr Greenhow departed very shortly after the Ranson hearing results were published, to include the as yet unproven allegations of falsified documents. A number of coinciding and subsequent posts on these boards suggested that there was more than likely a connection including, shall we say, identification by our elected of failure to show leadership and instill the Nolan Principles (if any principles at all in some cases) into his flock. So a failure of duty, if so, IMHO. Edited December 27, 2022 by Non-Believer typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTailT Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 3 hours ago, Non-Believer said: Mr Greenhow departed very shortly after the Ranson hearing results were published, to include the as yet unproven allegations of falsified documents. A number of coinciding and subsequent posts on these boards suggested that there was more than likely a connection including, shall we say, identification by our elected of failure to show leadership and instill the Nolan Principles (if any principles at all in some cases) into his flock. So a failure of duty, if so, IMHO. I was leisurely reading this webpage the other day. Not linking this page to your post at all, just thought you’d appreciate the read. https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/misconduct-public-office 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 35 minutes ago, NoTailT said: I was leisurely reading this webpage the other day. Not linking this page to your post at all, just thought you’d appreciate the read. https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/misconduct-public-office Oft discussed and precisely what the Manx Statute is sadly and strangely missing....probably because its introduction would trigger a wave of "retirements".... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTailT Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 40 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: Oft discussed and precisely what the Manx Statute is sadly and strangely missing....probably because its introduction would trigger a wave of "retirements".... It may take a ballsy judge at our highest court to make a ruling one day and set the bar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 Alf says it’s not expanding! https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/civil-service-is-not-getting-bigger/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Banker said: Alf says it’s not expanding! https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/civil-service-is-not-getting-bigger/ Oh yes it is ………………. we are in pantomime season (except CM Cannans administration is a 24/7 365 pantomime), 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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