CS keeps expanding

[asitis]

Has everyone lost sight of the fact we are an island with 85,000 people ! FFS

[NoTailT]

4 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

But surely you already have that situation in DfE where you have a separate CEO for each sub-Dept within DfE?

Who are the new "Boards" going to be comprised of too...? 🤔

The whole agency thing has spiralled out of control now, I don't think it was ever meant to be like this.

Boards full of self-indulgent tossers who care only for their own gain.

Digital's CEO supposedly jacked in a £500k+ /yr high flying New York job at Credit Suisse to come here for the £100k job. Something doesn't stack up.

[english zloty]

1 hour ago, 2112 said:

Yet more nonsensical bullshit from CM Cannan in the NPM where one appearance on the NPM can seemingly provide a weeks worth of news. 
 

As well new CEO instead of Chief Secretary, a new Chief Opersting Officer (for the Cabinet Office), CEOs of each department are being scrapped and being replaced by a board. How much is this going to cost taxpayers? Let’s face it, IOMG aren’t known for its frugality and being careful with taxpayers resources. How will this instil a new cultural change? Culture within a department is something which needs through work, not just getting rid of a few roles within the civil service, and reappointing new. If they were appointing experienced people from the UK with Local Authority and Civil Service type experience then maybe they would have the skills, empathy, and mandate to shake things up. Sadly things will be the same if the same type of Manxie IOMG civil servant is given promotion. Back to square one, with lip service paid to whistle blowing, and reluctance to do anything. Don’t rock the boat,

I think the old CEO are staying in post, so only the job title changes. However presumably interim CEO can all now apply for the CO roles meaning they probably won't advertise all, or any, positions. My reading is the Board will contain the new CEO and lay-members egg to whom the COs for each department will be accountable. That makes sense because it stops the days of Will picking his favourites as a one-man band. 

The bad news is COs will now have to deliver whatever mad ideas go into the Island plan or risk being emptied and additionally do their day job running a department. Meaning and highlighted by Beamans, each department be end up with COO as well. They will look after the running whilst the CO look after the pandering.

Eventually the CS employment pyramid will be completely inversed as worked so well for the NHS and is now sucking the soul out of Manx Care. The only winners in this are the pole climbers in DFE and CABO. Why, because they don't actually deliver anything?

In the end, all that will happen is that there will be a legislative backlog, the CS will blame Tynwald for not approving stuff, and Alf will get angsty with backbenchers, before he doesn't get voted back in and the new CM sets about undoing the CABO (because it costs too much).

[Roger Mexico]

1 hour ago, Asthehills said:

Is 500k that big a growth or really unachievable?

Maybe wait and see 2022 figures first (but if they are positive everyone will say they are made up anyway. Despite it being clear it was busier than previous recent years before COVID)

I'm not even sure that we'll get visitor numbers for 2022.  Someone mentioned at the Conference that they weren't being collected this year[1] and we've never even seen the 2019 figures that would provide a useful baseline.  Presumably they were collected, just never processed. 

But when the ridiculous 500,000 target was announced over a year ago, I did a quick calculation and showed that the target would imply nearly tripling the number of non-TT visitors.  That's just not possible without massive increases in suitable accommodation, none of which planned, indeed the opposite seems to be happening with tourist accommodation reverting to residential.

Now if an anonymous person the internet can work this out in half-an-hour, you'd imagine that one of the very well paid hordes in the civil service could.  But of course they're paid not to realise this, to keep the fantasy going and themselves and their mates well-rewarded.  And that's why more and more people have to be recruited to keep up the bubble of self-interest and self-delusion.

 

[1]  Or rather the visitor survey wasn't done from which you could estimate how many of the passengers were local, how many visitors and of those how many travelling for business etc.

[Manx Resident]

Some time ago the idea of establishing “IOM Government” as a single legally recognized entity was mooted leading to the scrapping of independent autonomous departments. Establishing a single Chief Executive Officer and a number of Chief Operating Officers to run ‘departments’ under the banner of IOM Government could be the beginning of such a move.

Such a move would allow DOI for example to be broken up into Highways, Transport, Ports etc each operating under IOM Government. The issue will be how many Officers are eventually upgraded or appointed to be Chief Operating Officers to run the various fiefdoms.

Also, perhaps there will be no need for Ministers and particularly Members. A ‘board’ of senior politicians might direct IOM Government as a whole….. will perhaps address the problems with the skills pool in the current administration.

Food for thought……..

[english zloty]

35 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

I'm not even sure that we'll get visitor numbers for 2022.  Someone mentioned at the Conference that they weren't being collected this year[1] and we've never even seen the 2019 figures that would provide a useful baseline.  Presumably they were collected, just never processed. 

But when the ridiculous 500,000 target was announced over a year ago, I did a quick calculation and showed that the target would imply nearly tripling the number of non-TT visitors.  That's just not possible without massive increases in suitable accommodation, none of which planned, indeed the opposite seems to be happening with tourist accommodation reverting to residential.

Now if an anonymous person the internet can work this out in half-an-hour, you'd imagine that one of the very well paid hordes in the civil service could.  But of course they're paid not to realise this, to keep the fantasy going and themselves and their mates well-rewarded.  And that's why more and more people have to be recruited to keep up the bubble of self-interest and self-delusion.

 

[1]  Or rather the visitor survey wasn't done from which you could estimate how many of the passengers were local, how many visitors and of those how many travelling for business etc.

or water. or electricity. both designed to a capacity of 100.000 but only peak week TT week. non-sustainable on a continual basis

[english zloty]

16 minutes ago, Manx Resident said:

Some time ago the idea of establishing “IOM Government” as a single legally recognized entity was mooted leading to the scrapping of independent autonomous departments. Establishing a single Chief Executive Officer and a number of Chief Operating Officers to run ‘departments’ under the banner of IOM Government could be the beginning of such a move.

Such a move would allow DOI for example to be broken up into Highways, Transport, Ports etc each operating under IOM Government. The issue will be how many Officers are eventually upgraded or appointed to be Chief Operating Officers to run the various fiefdoms.

Also, perhaps there will be no need for Ministers and particularly Members. A ‘board’ of senior politicians might direct IOM Government as a whole….. will perhaps address the problems with the skills pool in the current administration.

Food for thought……..

ah, that'll be the leaner slicker govt Robertshaw was pipe-dreaming about. Reality CABO growing out of control. badly duplicating the work of the departments

[Moghrey Mie]

39 minutes ago, Manx Resident said:

Some time ago the idea of establishing “IOM Government” as a single legally recognized entity was mooted leading to the scrapping of independent autonomous departments. Establishing a single Chief Executive Officer and a number of Chief Operating Officers to run ‘departments’ under the banner of IOM Government could be the beginning of such a move.

Such a move would allow DOI for example to be broken up into Highways, Transport, Ports etc each operating under IOM Government. The issue will be how many Officers are eventually upgraded or appointed to be Chief Operating Officers to run the various fiefdoms.

Also, perhaps there will be no need for Ministers and particularly Members. A ‘board’ of senior politicians might direct IOM Government as a whole….. will perhaps address the problems with the skills pool in the current administration.

Food for thought……..

All this for 85,000 people. It's incredible.

The city of Chester has a smaller population. I wonder how many departments and civil servants they have.

They have two Members of Parliament.

Edited December 19, 2022 by Moghrey Mie

[Nom de plume]

I spoke with a well placed person over the weekend in regards my initial question over the number of people here employed directly by the Government.

16,000.

I nearly dropped my Christmas Baileys.

   

[Asthehills]

39 minutes ago, Nom de plume said:

I spoke with a well placed person over the weekend in regards my initial question over the number of people here employed directly by the Government.

16,000.

I nearly dropped my Christmas Baileys.

   

Sound about right.  One in three seems to have been used as a measure in the past.  It’s obscene

[woolley]

On 12/18/2022 at 9:40 AM, Steady Eddie said:

Jesus Christ just to head up the visit IOM bit?

Great. Can we get the Pope to do a double header? Do a roaring trade selling crying crucifix and glow in the dark angel tat on the Irish boats.

[Jarndyce]

3 hours ago, english zloty said:

My reading is the Board will contain the new CEO and lay-members egg to whom the COs for each department will be accountable.

Something about “lay-members” makes me think that “egg” was a Freudian slip, rather than a spell check issue…

[asitis]

1 hour ago, Asthehills said:

Sound about right.  One in three seems to have been used as a measure in the past.  It’s obscene

It also skews elections, as it most definitely affects candidates for wholesale change ( which we desperately need), which can probably never be achieved.

[Andy Onchan]

On 12/18/2022 at 12:47 PM, NoTailT said:

Just seen commentary on this job ad in the UK. Didn't realise that IOM Gov were drafting NHS job strategy in the UK too.

 

What The Actual Feck!?

[english zloty]

42 minutes ago, Jarndyce said:

Something about “lay-members” makes me think that “egg” was a Freudian slip, rather than a spell check issue…

Etc however couldn’t be bothered editing. I would guess OHR would be represented and such