Happier diner Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 On 12/19/2022 at 7:21 PM, Ringy Rose said: Amazing how a leader of Westminster City Council turned out to be a charlatan. No doubt any "review" here will go out to Beamans, which just happens to be headed up by a former senior Manx civil servant. All this focus on headcount is wrong, and ends up with the situation at the airport where there aren't enough air traffic controllers because they were the quickest way to cut numbers. I don't think the Manx public sector is particularly bloated, but Enterprise is one area that could be tighter. In the words of Baldrick, its more bloated than a bloaty thing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
english zloty Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 54 minutes ago, CallMeCurious said: New signage & letterheads? Not to mention new furniture when they play musical chairs with office space. Possibly new carpets and decoration if theree is remodelling. Oh and don't forget the parking space that probably goes with the position. Then HR will have to setup new contracts and organisational charts with roles and responsibilities, IT departments will need to revamp websites, emails etc. Then there are the mission statements, carbon footprints to calculate etc. They get quite a lot for our money. Us, not so much. Don't forget moving everybody up the ladder so former middle managers become directors who then need administrators 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 Still gravy in the trough though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 (edited) It depends if these roles are being scrapped, and there will be less civil servants? Or are mediocre and poor performers within the CS being opportunity to bail out, and be replaced with other poor performers? Or even yes men? Edited December 27, 2022 by 2112 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake me up Judy Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 This prepared answer probably conceals more than it reveals. How many individuals received the four payments of £150,000 for instance ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, Shake me up Judy said: This prepared answer probably conceals more than it reveals. How many individuals received the four payments of £150,000 for instance ? Four. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake me up Judy Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 Are you sure ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 Isn't it suspiciously low? I'd have expected Greenhow to have picked that up on his own. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 12 minutes ago, Shake me up Judy said: Are you sure ? That's what it says on Manx radio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: Isn't it suspiciously low? I'd have expected Greenhow to have picked that up on his own. You beat me to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 It doesn't seem to be very well worded...is it four payments totalling £150k (wishful thinking) or four payments of £150k each? And as Teapot says, Where's Greenhow's wedge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 This period would have included Murray leaving too wouldn't it? You would have expected a CEO severance package to be pretty substantial. And wasn't there a high level HR person too? I wonder if the word 'redundancy' is key here, and those notable departures aren't included. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: This period would have included Murray leaving too wouldn't it? You would have expected a CEO severance package to be pretty substantial. And wasn't there a high level HR person too? I wonder if the word 'redundancy' is key here, and those notable departures aren't included. Is MARS not counted as redundancy? I wonder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 As ever you need to go to the actual question to get the exact story: What the total value of all redundancy and ex gratia payments to departing civil servants between 1 July 2022 and 30 November 2022 was; and how many such payments have been made. The Chief Minister (Hon Mr Cannan MHK): The total value of all redundancy and ex gratia payments to departing civil servants between 1 July 2022 and 30 November 2022 (rounded to the nearest whole pound) is £151,492. Details of how many such payments have been made is as follows: Redundancy Payments – 4 Ex-Gratia payments – Nil So it's four redundancy payments for four different people which total to £151,492. And this will be according to the IOMG redundancy scheme as there were no ex-gratia payments. This means that Greenhow and the rest of the Ranson clear out should be before this period. In any case none of those were redundancies - Greenhow was a nominal retirement (I reckon he was about 58) as was Ewart (who was near retirement age). Conie and Malone both resigned. All this was mid to late May. I suspect Watterson was asking about something else, though I don't know what. And with redundancies it's supposed to be the job which goes rather than the person who wasn't up to it. Though you wouldn't be surprised if they got rid of someone they didn't like by replacing an Assistant Deputy something with a Deputy Assistant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 8 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: As ever you need to go to the actual question to get the exact story: What the total value of all redundancy and ex gratia payments to departing civil servants between 1 July 2022 and 30 November 2022 was; and how many such payments have been made. The Chief Minister (Hon Mr Cannan MHK): The total value of all redundancy and ex gratia payments to departing civil servants between 1 July 2022 and 30 November 2022 (rounded to the nearest whole pound) is £151,492. Details of how many such payments have been made is as follows: Redundancy Payments – 4 Ex-Gratia payments – Nil So it's four redundancy payments for four different people which total to £151,492. And this will be according to the IOMG redundancy scheme as there were no ex-gratia payments. This means that Greenhow and the rest of the Ranson clear out should be before this period. In any case none of those were redundancies - Greenhow was a nominal retirement (I reckon he was about 58) as was Ewart (who was near retirement age). Conie and Malone both resigned. All this was mid to late May. I suspect Watterson was asking about something else, though I don't know what. And with redundancies it's supposed to be the job which goes rather than the person who wasn't up to it. Though you wouldn't be surprised if they got rid of someone they didn't like by replacing an Assistant Deputy something with a Deputy Assistant. What's a 'nominal' retirement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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