No more campers and motorhomes at the Ayres

[A fool and his money.....]

12 hours ago, Happier diner said:

If you didn't have lights the bike is not road legal, regardless of the time of day.

That's nonsense, it's allowed both here and in the UK, you can even get a daytime only MOT in the UK.

[A fool and his money.....]

3 hours ago, The Duck of Atholl said:

There was no gentleman unless his name was Crown Estate

It was privately owned until left to the people, the crown has nothing to do with it.

[hissingsid]

The petition is on FB if anyone is interested .

[Happier diner]

1 hour ago, A fool and his money..... said:

That's nonsense, it's allowed both here and in the UK, you can even get a daytime only MOT in the UK.

I can genuinely admit I didn't know that.

[A fool and his money.....]

6 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

I can genuinely admit I didn't know that.

It is a bit of an odd one I'll give you that. You can also legally remove your mirrors and indicators and still be road legal, fellas do that to stop them getting broken on the trails.

[Roger Mexico]

5 hours ago, The Duck of Atholl said:

There was no gentleman unless his name was Crown Estate

Some background from (oddly enough) the Waymarking site:

Long Description:
Sulby Claddagh is the only piece of Common Land remaining on the Isle of Man.

The area is also known as River Meadowland and was often flooded by the Sulby River in the past.

The Claddagh is used as a summer months and is particularly popular during the Islands TT and Manx Grand Prix motorcycling festivals.

The Claddagh also has an area adjacent to the Sulby River that serves as an Arboretum for commemorative tree planting.
(visit link)

The following extract is taken from the Tynwald Court Official Report for Tuesday, 17th March 2015
"Questions for Oral Answer...

The President: Supplementary question, Mrs Cannell

Mrs Cannell: Can I ask the Minister, bearing in mind that Sulby Claddaghs is the last piece of common land in the Isle of Man and valued as such, especially by those people who live in the area, and as such, the area that people do stay and camp on is not in law a designated campsite, how can the Minister consider making the charge?"

As part of the Minister's repsonse he stated that"...In respect to the common land, I think additionally the Department are planning to carry out further inquiries into whether or not the rights of common actually exist over the area, with a view to ensuring full clarity on any future use of the area, for information, typical rights of common existed for subsistence purposes and included things like grazing of livestock or collection of firewood..."
((visit link)

The access and camping rights of Sulby Claddagh were modified by the Sulby Claddagh Byelaws 2010. (visit link)

The rules governing common land in the Isle of Man are similar to those in England where the following applies:
- common land is owned, for example by a local council, privately or by the National Trust.
- members of the public have the right to roam on it. This means that anyone can use common land for certain activities such as walking or climbing.
- members of the public do not however have the right to camp on common land without the owner's permission, to a light a fire or have a barbecue, hold a festival or other event without permission, nor is there a general right to drive across common land without permission. (visit link)

[Kopek]

So, you can park there for your afternoon 'cuppa' but till what time can you park there to micro your \tesco @ready meal' ???? What is 'overnight' ? 6 oc, *8 0c????. Can you eat your ready meal or do you have to be off the site before dinner time!!!!

Oh  god, it's so complicated? Better to fence it all off???

[The Duck of Atholl]

9 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

Some background from (oddly enough) the Waymarking site:

Long Description:
Sulby Claddagh is the only piece of Common Land remaining on the Isle of Man.

The area is also known as River Meadowland and was often flooded by the Sulby River in the past.

The Claddagh is used as a summer months and is particularly popular during the Islands TT and Manx Grand Prix motorcycling festivals.

The Claddagh also has an area adjacent to the Sulby River that serves as an Arboretum for commemorative tree planting.
(visit link)

The following extract is taken from the Tynwald Court Official Report for Tuesday, 17th March 2015
"Questions for Oral Answer...

The President: Supplementary question, Mrs Cannell

Mrs Cannell: Can I ask the Minister, bearing in mind that Sulby Claddaghs is the last piece of common land in the Isle of Man and valued as such, especially by those people who live in the area, and as such, the area that people do stay and camp on is not in law a designated campsite, how can the Minister consider making the charge?"

As part of the Minister's repsonse he stated that"...In respect to the common land, I think additionally the Department are planning to carry out further inquiries into whether or not the rights of common actually exist over the area, with a view to ensuring full clarity on any future use of the area, for information, typical rights of common existed for subsistence purposes and included things like grazing of livestock or collection of firewood..."
((visit link)

The access and camping rights of Sulby Claddagh were modified by the Sulby Claddagh Byelaws 2010. (visit link)

The rules governing common land in the Isle of Man are similar to those in England where the following applies:
- common land is owned, for example by a local council, privately or by the National Trust.
- members of the public have the right to roam on it. This means that anyone can use common land for certain activities such as walking or climbing.
- members of the public do not however have the right to camp on common land without the owner's permission, to a light a fire or have a barbecue, hold a festival or other event without permission, nor is there a general right to drive across common land without permission. (visit link)

Thanks Roger I'm aware of that. The land was Crown Estate and conveyed under a very large transfer of land to the IOMG not long after WW2

The references to it being common land remain moot. You say something often enough and for long enough and people take it as fact, just like the fictional gentleman I refer to in my post. People also mistake the term common land as land upon which you can do almost anything which is also a fiction. Rights of common are  specific.

 

[The Duck of Atholl]

13 hours ago, A fool and his money..... said:

It was privately owned until left to the people, the crown has nothing to do with it.

It wasn't

[Non-Believer]

"The Isle of Man - Where you can....Fuck up people's businesses and lives and receive a fat Govt salary for doing so"

 

[piebaps]

Perhaps the 2 pubs can raise the bog money between them.

[HelmutX]

10 minutes ago, piebaps said:

Perhaps the 2 pubs can raise the bog money between them.

Actually, 3.... don't forget The Victory too.

[Non-Believer]

1 hour ago, piebaps said:

Perhaps the 2 pubs can raise the bog money between them.

But it's not the bogs now, it's maintenance costs leading to "significant loss", presumably as in managing to spend £50k and only getting £7k back the other year. Strange that it wasn't like this before Govt got involved...

I still think that the eco-freaks in DEFA have their eye on this ultimately as the next "re-wilded wilderness area".

[hissingsid]

A builder has offered to loan a shower block and toilets, portable, for the race period , info Mannin Line, so what excuse will they cook

[Roxanne]

It needs more than that. It needs someone to take over the tender full time. Last time no one wanted the responsibility. Lets see if someone comes forward this time and negotiates with the government, although given the the government have stated all the losses...