Gladys Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 15 minutes ago, FANDL said: She’s talked herself into a corner on this but she seems to be so unbelievably confrontational in trying to show she’s a victim rather than an aggressor that she’s lost perspective on it all. As you say it must have been obvious it was a spoof fairly early on. Richard Butt has even said that he’d called her earlier in the week to check as he’d had a similar email which she presumably said hadn’t sent. So she knew then and presumably there was nothing in her outbox to justify claims of a hack (ie, that her machine had sent the mail shed been called about). She’s IT system admin for RL360 isn’t she? So she presumably knows what a hack is like. So why claims of a hack other than to try to criminalize the activity like she likes to taint the residents who are ‘ideologically opposed’ to doing as they’re told. It’s doubtful they’ll ever publish this mystery ‘hacker’ either because as you say a lot of spoof sites just fire text at a server so it’s doubtful they’ll find anything other than an originating IP which anyone with half a brain would have VPN’d anyway. So why all the drama? It’s just another notch in her victimhood campaign because she appears to be totally incapable of accepting anyone else’s world view other than her own. A remarkable take on it. Do you think she may have spoofed her own email? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FANDL Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 20 minutes ago, Gladys said: A remarkable take on it. Do you think she may have spoofed her own email? She may well discover that after that last 4 weeks or so a lot of people in Douglas think she’s a liar. She is employed in IT and clearly did not see any form of hack despite very prominent claims of such being made. As to who or what allegedly spoofed an email it doesn’t really matter as she’s used it to perpetuate her role as a victim (using words like criminals and hackers in public) rather than as the clear aggressor in this situation. A lot of people are pushing for her to resign now and won’t be happy until she resigns. She will never name any other person or organization as the originator of the email and people will make of that what they will. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 9 minutes ago, FANDL said: She may well discover that after that last 4 weeks or so a lot of people in Douglas think she’s a liar. She is employed in IT and clearly did not see any form of hack despite very prominent claims of such being made. As to who or what allegedly spoofed an email it doesn’t really matter as she’s used it to perpetuate her role as a victim (using words like criminals and hackers in public) rather than as the clear aggressor in this situation. A lot of people are pushing for her to resign now and won’t be happy until she resigns. She will never name any other person or organization as the originator of the email and people will make of that what they will. As I said above, she probably doesn't have admin rights to the DBC IT system, that would be with the IT manager employed in DBC. She won't be in the DBC offices every day and probably only really attends for meetings and events. Like I say, it is a remarkable extrapolation of this incident to come to the conclusions you have. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 In the "main-stream media" I did not find any comment by her regarding this event. Has she been making statements on Facebook or Twitter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 36 minutes ago, Two-lane said: In the "main-stream media" I did not find any comment by her regarding this event. Has she been making statements on Facebook or Twitter? No she's been making them in a much more important place - inside FANDL's head. 1 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FANDL Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 5 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: No she's been making them in a much more important place - inside FANDL's head. Manx Radio now seems to have removed its original story in this regard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 12 minutes ago, FANDL said: Manx Radio now seems to have removed its original story in this regard. Still there as far as I can see: https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/douglas-borough-council-leader-allegedly-hacked/ Perhaps surprisingly, given that "News Organisation Falls for Obvious Spoof" is not a story you'd think they'd be keen on. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genericUserName Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, FANDL said: As to who or what allegedly spoofed an email it doesn’t really matter Sure it matters who did it. Spoofing email is never not malicious. But more than that the person doing it probably needs mental help. It's a modern equivalent of writing poison pen letters. You suggest that perhaps they would have used a VPN. There are two points here: 1. VPNs can be and often are required to give up client information. Or, at least, information that will identify the connecting IP address. 2. People often get careless. For example they sent an email somewhere else whilst connected to the same VPN session. Edited January 7, 2023 by genericUserName 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FANDL Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 8 minutes ago, genericUserName said: Sure it matters who did it. Spoofing email is never not malicious. But more than that the person doing it probably needs mental help. It's a modern equivalent of writing poison pen letters. To be fair this forum seems to be totally obsessed with the mental health of any person whose perspective they don’t subscribe to. As for a poison pen letter. It doesn’t read that poisonous to most people. Poison pen letters are by definition poisonous and full of venom. That email reads as quite cheerful and even wishes the receiver a happy new year at the end. It’s doubtful most poison pen writers would end a letter so cheerfully. https://www.lancs.live/news/local-news/cumbria-family-pay-thousands-after-25674046 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genericUserName Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 15 minutes ago, FANDL said: To be fair this forum seems to be totally obsessed with the mental health of any person whose perspective they don’t subscribe to This is not about people with a different perspective. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genericUserName Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 37 minutes ago, genericUserName said: 2. People often get careless. For example they sent an email somewhere else whilst connected to the same VPN session. Or, for that matter, connect to a forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FANDL Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, genericUserName said: This is not about people with a different perspective. It clearly is. You seem to have made an assessment of an unknown persons mental health status from reading a report of an email on a website which you then describe as a poison pen letter which is really very far from a poison pen letter from what most people can see. It completely appears to lack any poison for one thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genericUserName Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 Just now, FANDL said: It clearly is. You seem to have made an assessment of an unknown persons mental health status from reading a report of an email on a website which you then describe as a poison pen letter which is really very far from a poison pen letter from what most people can see. It completely appears to lack any poison for one thing. Spoofing email is malicious. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FANDL Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 1 minute ago, genericUserName said: Spoofing email is malicious. You said a poison pen when clearly that isn’t the case as a poison pen letter is by definition malicious and poisonous. That email (if the report is accurate) certainly isn’t. Not really that bothered as what’s the point of having any form of debate on a platform where both main moderators are connected to the council being debated. It’s relatively futile as you seem to have banned so many posters in the last few weeks and there will just become a point where the debate ends. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genericUserName Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, FANDL said: It’s relatively futile as you seem to have banned so many posters in the last few weeks and there will just become a point where the debate ends. I have never banned anyone. I am not a moderator here. Nor, as you have previously seemed to imply, do I have anything to do with the council. I am just me. First person singular. I. Not we. Edited January 7, 2023 by genericUserName 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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