Harry Lamb Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 One has dropped through my letterbox. The leaflet advances a number of arguments against assisted dying, and urges readers to 'make (your) voice heard' on the subject. The publishers are very coy about identifying themselves. 'This leaflet is brought to you by Manx Duty of Care' - who they? There are links to assisteddyinginnumbers.org, which is similarly coy and a FB page Assisted Dying IOM, and something else calling itself Isle of Man Care for the Vulnerable in Dying. I have no strong views on the subject, but I find it odd that people who clearly do are so shy and protective of their identities. It's all quite well-presented, too and must have cost a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinderella Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 Will be religious, right-to-lifers or their ilk. The types that are happy to tell others what to do. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 1 minute ago, Harry Lamb said: One has dropped through my letterbox. The leaflet advances a number of arguments against assisted dying, and urges readers to 'make (your) voice heard' on the subject. The publishers are very coy about identifying themselves. 'This leaflet is brought to you by Manx Duty of Care' - who they? There are links to assisteddyinginnumbers.org, which is similarly coy and a FB page Assisted Dying IOM, and something else calling itself Isle of Man Care for the Vulnerable in Dying. I have no strong views on the subject, but I find it odd that people who clearly do are so shy and protective of their identities. It's all quite well-presented, too and must have cost a bit. It's all a cunning propaganda ploy by Manx Care to reduce the number of people dependant on medical services over here. Or for those who have tried to get an appointment for something simple and slowly lost the will to live in the process. 1 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 7 minutes ago, Harry Lamb said: One has dropped through my letterbox. The leaflet advances a number of arguments against assisted dying, and urges readers to 'make (your) voice heard' on the subject. The publishers are very coy about identifying themselves. 'This leaflet is brought to you by Manx Duty of Care' - who they? There are links to assisteddyinginnumbers.org, which is similarly coy and a FB page Assisted Dying IOM, and something else calling itself Isle of Man Care for the Vulnerable in Dying. I have no strong views on the subject, but I find it odd that people who clearly do are so shy and protective of their identities. It's all quite well-presented, too and must have cost a bit. It won’t be too hard identifying who are against this possible proposed policy. Most likely religious, church dwelling types, those in particular that object to TT racing on a Sunday. I have no objection to people declaring their displeasure or opposition, but by not declaring publicly who they are, or at least faces/names behind the organisation, they are hiding behind a veil. Have they got something to hide, or are some unsavoury characters involved in their campaign - could result in unfavourable negative publicity? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 We wouldn’t let a dog or a hamster suffer, so why should we make a human suffer? People, even terminally ill, can endure enormous suffering before they’re finally actually dead. Whilst being ravaged by whatever disease. It’s harrowing for the dying and their loved ones. There absolutely should be appropriate safeguards in place, and not everyone will want it, but those who do should have the option to go on their terms. 12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 is it josems backers again ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 1 minute ago, WTF said: is it josems backers again ? Dunno. But it might be connected to Broadway Baptists again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 1 minute ago, AcousticallyChallenged said: We wouldn’t let a dog or a hamster suffer, so why should we make a human suffer? People, even terminally ill, can endure enormous suffering before they’re finally actually dead. Whilst being ravaged by whatever disease. It’s harrowing for the dying and their loved ones. There absolutely should be appropriate safeguards in place, and not everyone will want it, but those who do should have the option to go on their terms. yes, but it doesn't keep a lot of medical staff employed, it is whole industry i itself , we have to suffer for as long as possible to maintain jobs you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 Just now, John Wright said: Dunno. But it might be connected to Broadway Baptists again. i'm a great believer in assisted dying for some people , whether they are ill or not. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 Both the below have a link to assisteddyinginnumbers on their website: https://www.facebook.com/ChurchesAliveinMann/ https://www.facebook.com/broadwaybaptist/ Whois blocks everything these days... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheswiththeband Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 Posted with the normal post too… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarndyce Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 18 minutes ago, WTF said: 19 minutes ago, WTF said: 22 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said: We wouldn’t let a dog or a hamster suffer, so why should we make a human suffer? People, even terminally ill, can endure enormous suffering before they’re finally actually dead. Whilst being ravaged by whatever disease. It’s harrowing for the dying and their loved ones. There absolutely should be appropriate safeguards in place, and not everyone will want it, but those who do should have the option to go on their terms. yes, but it doesn't keep a lot of medical staff employed, it is whole industry i itself , we have to suffer for as long as possible to maintain jobs you know. Crass. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 5 minutes ago, Jarndyce said: Crass. and yet correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinderella Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 What tends to happen is that groups like this throw out lots of very emotive scare stories. Whilst failing to acknowledge that assisted dying is a personal choice - they are perfectly entitled to their beliefs and do not have to partake. Having seen my FIL have to take his life, alone and safeguarding his children, I have absolutely no time for such a view. Compassion would have been allowing him to have help and his loved ones with him. He had painful incurable cancer. He had served his country in WWII, and he had to die alone after a worthy and fulfilling life. End of rant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, Cinderella said: What tends to happen is that groups like this throw out lots of very emotive scare stories. Whilst failing to acknowledge that assisted dying is a personal choice - they are perfectly entitled to their beliefs and do not have to partake. Having seen my FIL have to take his life, alone and safeguarding his children, I have absolutely no time for such a view. Compassion would have been allowing him to have help and his loved ones with him. He had painful incurable cancer. He had served his country in WWII, and he had to die alone after a worthy and fulfilling life. End of rant. You've not been here long. That's not a rant.... 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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