Westmoreland Village

[offshoremanxman]

3 minutes ago, Dirty Buggane said:

Thats if they bother after receiving the overly generous price taking it and retiring, or investing in the buy to let. So the people that were employed have lost their jobs due to the development. I suppose they could all retrain as e scooter repair persons or as Thatcher dream all to the service industry's like Costa.

Or a bicycle repair shop. Those 200 odd push bikes will all need new tyres and servicing at some stage. 

[Andy Onchan]

16 minutes ago, Banker said:

....sites like old prison & even bus station site should be used for housing 

This and agreed.

But of course you do realise that those sites are for "mates"? It really is scandalous.

[2112]

54 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

This and agreed.

But of course you do realise that those sites are for "mates"? It really is scandalous.

Mates who couldn’t even get their original development off the ground, even if some of the retail units fall through, they could have created plans for new housing/apartment and retail etc. Perhaps it’s easier and more lucrative to use as a car park? Perhaps the developer hasn’t the sufficient funding? 
 

You only have to look at the Duke Street Griddles site, a rusting hulk of steel frame unfinished, and the likelihood of that development ever being completed is remote, unless the taxpayer gets involved?

[offshoremanxman]

5 minutes ago, 2112 said:

Mates who couldn’t even get their original development off the ground, even if some of the retail units fall through, they could have created plans for new housing/apartment and retail etc. Perhaps it’s easier and more lucrative to use as a car park?

The old bus station isn’t even a car park. It’s a patch of land where people now dump their cars in the hope that someone won’t block them in or damage them. It isn’t even a designated car park anymore due to the ongoing dispute with the DOI.

[2112]

7 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said:

The old bus station isn’t even a car park. It’s a patch of land where people now dump their cars in the hope that someone won’t block them in or damage them. It isn’t even a designated car park anymore due to the ongoing dispute with the DOI.

If a developer is in dispute with IOMG it doesn’t send out a good message to collaborated working, joint venture schemes for regeneration. Perhaps IOMG are acting like playground bullies and we know the problem where bullying within IOMG and what it’s achieved? Ultimately IOMG could force the issue with regards to the site, as the well trotted phrase ‘spades in the ground’. Maybe IOMG could draw up its own plans for a housing scheme on the site, and if the developers still leave the site inactive, IOMG could take action to recover the site? 

 

[Mistercee]

3 hours ago, Banker said:

Isn’t the park road site being considered for school to replace balkaquayle & it’s sister one which will presumably release those sites in due course?

but sites like old prison & even bus station site should be used for housing 

I do not think that the old prison site will ever be developed for housing - it now seems to be automatically used as temporary accommodation for the TT/ MGP and given the way that the TT in particular is expanding its footprint and traffic controls etc.  into Nobles Park and the surrounding areas I suspect that the prison site in handily placed for future expansion. It would be interesting to learn what the operators of the temporary accommodation pay for the use of the site and how much is spent by Government on site preparation work etc.     

Someone in Government should know what the short, medium and long term plans are for this site - a little bit of transparency would not go amiss.  

[english zloty]

9 hours ago, Banker said:

Isn’t the park road site being considered for school to replace balkaquayle & it’s sister one which will presumably release those sites in due course?

but sites like old prison & even bus station site should be used for housing 

Yes in true government fashion there is already an architectural design from one department for a mixed use development being held up indefinitely by another just in case their preferred site for a school falls through.

[Two-lane]

9 hours ago, Banker said:

even bus station site should be used for housing

I think that went out of time on 4 May 2023. So presumably its ownership has reverted back to DBC/DoI or whatever.

Of course, it has been obvious for a long time that nothing would happen, so no doubt the gov. already has extensive plans in place - (more sarcasm).

[Banker]

11 hours ago, 2112 said:

If a developer is in dispute with IOMG it doesn’t send out a good message to collaborated working, joint venture schemes for regeneration. Perhaps IOMG are acting like playground bullies and we know the problem where bullying within IOMG and what it’s achieved? Ultimately IOMG could force the issue with regards to the site, as the well trotted phrase ‘spades in the ground’. Maybe IOMG could draw up its own plans for a housing scheme on the site, and if the developers still leave the site inactive, IOMG could take action to recover the site? 

 

The developer presumably hasn’t got the finance to proceed as travel lodge, the cinema/bowling alley owner all pulled out. He wants to use it a a paid car park to get some money but government refused as it’s supposed to be getting developed.

Developer paid nothing for site & wants to make money using as a car park for a few years & then it will lapse back to government , sounds like developers have spat dummy

[Passing Time]

3 minutes ago, Banker said:

The developer presumably hasn’t got the finance to proceed as travel lodge, the cinema/bowling alley owner all pulled out. He wants to use it a a paid car park to get some money but government refused as it’s supposed to be getting developed.

Developer paid nothing for site & wants to make money using as a car park for a few years & then it will lapse back to government , sounds like developers have spat dummy

I recall when the government wanted to widen Richmond Hill, they made a compulsory purchase order on Canipa's land. Why can't they do the same with old bus station and the steel monolith in Duke Street?

[Ativa]

24 minutes ago, Passing Time said:

I recall when the government wanted to widen Richmond Hill, they made a compulsory purchase order on Canipa's land. Why can't they do the same with old bus station and the steel monolith in Duke Street?

What do you want them to do in Duke Street exactly?  What’s it got to do with government?

[Dirty Buggane]

You do know the bus station site is the governments

[Kopek]

51 minutes ago, Ativa said:

What do you want them to do in Duke Street exactly?  What’s it got to do with government?

We 'the People' do not like to walk past the steel skeleton and hole in the road yet we are unable to affect any change? This why we elect govts, to do the things that are in our interests but that we cannot control on an individual basis.

This is the whole purpose of electing a Govt.

With regard to the Duke st dev. I'm sure there are other developers who would be interested in the site, even with the lift shaft problems, not insurmountable I'm sure  but they will wait until it goes bankrupt in the hope of picking it up at a bargain basement price??? That is why it is taking so long?

No doubt govt depts are looking at various sites, Duke, S Quay, NQuay, Park and the Prison etc etc. They maybe 'land banking' some sites to see what develops, can they do a school here, a housing scheme there, if they didn't try to balance it out we would castigate them for that lack of foresight????

Is it the Govts job to solve all these problems? ??

Yes, that is why we elect them?     Sure it is.

[Passing Time]

14 hours ago, Ativa said:

What do you want them to do in Duke Street exactly?  What’s it got to do with government?

Not exactly Mr Current Affairs are you?

[Moghrey Mie]

14 hours ago, Dirty Buggane said:

You do know the bus station site is the governments

And it's 20 years since they pulled the bus terminus down.