Declan Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 40 minutes ago, Mercenary said: They could propose a 'car club' where residents without cars can hire/borrow one of Martin Moore's untaxed bangers. Driverless taxis are the future. You don't need to have a car sat outside your house or office unused for hours at end, it would free up urban space. Also you could request a car for the task at hand - one with lots of seat for a family outing, a van for taking stuff to the tip, a limo for a night out. You could walk or bus to Tesco and then call up a taxi to take you home. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asthehills Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 4 hours ago, Declan said: Driverless taxis are the future. You don't need to have a car sat outside your house or office unused for hours at end, it would free up urban space. Also you could request a car for the task at hand - one with lots of seat for a family outing, a van for taking stuff to the tip, a limo for a night out. You could walk or bus to Tesco and then call up a taxi to take you home. Declan is right. We really need a mind shift away from everyone having their own vehicle that sits and does nothing 90 percent of the time. The island would be a great place to drive this tech and push it forward. If they aren’t already, the bods at DFE are in talks with manufactures to entice them here to try it out and make us a testbed for the new tech with all the positive PR that would bring with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 4 hours ago, Declan said: Driverless taxis are the future. You don't need to have a car sat outside your house or office unused for hours at end, it would free up urban space. Also you could request a car for the task at hand - one with lots of seat for a family outing, a van for taking stuff to the tip, a limo for a night out. You could walk or bus to Tesco and then call up a taxi to take you home. But people can do that already - calling taxis or hiring suitable vehicles. And on the whole they don't. Making vehicles driverless won't change things and may make the roads even more dangerous than employing actual taxi drivers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 25 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: But people can do that already - calling taxis or hiring suitable vehicles. And on the whole they don't. Making vehicles driverless won't change things and may make the roads even more dangerous than employing actual taxi drivers. People do that in big cities. You could have an Uber-like booking system that would speed up the process. People will prefer that to the inconvenience of maintaining, powering, insuring, taxing and finding a place to park a conventional car. I believe long term driverless cars will be safer than human operated ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asthehills Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 43 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: But people can do that already - calling taxis or hiring suitable vehicles. And on the whole they don't. Making vehicles driverless won't change things and may make the roads even more dangerous than employing actual taxi drivers. Taxis are unreliable and expensive. For me to use taxis instead of my car at the moment would cost me thousands of pounds extra a year. The world is going to change, and instead of resisting it or even just embracing that change, the Isle of a man should be leading the way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 Oh excellent, the opportunity to post this. "Sue me, dickhead" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 13 minutes ago, Declan said: People do that in big cities. You could have an Uber-like booking system that would speed up the process. People will prefer that to the inconvenience of maintaining, powering, insuring, taxing and finding a place to park a conventional car. I believe long term driverless cars will be safer than human operated ones. But even in big cities people have cars. Even in the square mile of the City of London nearly a quarter of households have a car or van, a third in densely populated (and poor) boroughs like Tower Hamlets. You're not going to get figures anywhere that low anywhere in the Isle of man. That's even ignoring the fact that many of the key workers who this development is supposed to be aimed at actually require a car to do their work or will need one to get there - especially given unsocial hour or overtime. As for driverless cars, like so much that is touted nowadays, this just looks like another highly technical solution for a problem that doesn't really exist. The more people claim that some magic piece of software will solve all our worries, the less it actually happens and the worse things get. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 7 hours ago, Banker said: It may not be perfect but we need affordable housing for key workers & ASAP so get it built & ignore the whiners. When your only argument is: We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this. Then you've pretty much lost the real case. The only question is whether our politicians will be dumb or crooked enough to fall for it. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: When your only argument is: We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this. Then you've pretty much lost the real case. The only question is whether our politicians will be dumb or crooked enough to fall for it. Well there’s not that many against it other than a couple of useless politicians, Facebook nimbys ,you & offshore manc so against that opposition it’s a certainty!! Edited February 2, 2023 by Banker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 3 hours ago, Roger Mexico said: But even in big cities people have cars. Even in the square mile of the City of London nearly a quarter of households have a car or van, a third in densely populated (and poor) boroughs like Tower Hamlets. You're not going to get figures anywhere that low anywhere in the Isle of man. That's even ignoring the fact that many of the key workers who this development is supposed to be aimed at actually require a car to do their work or will need one to get there - especially given unsocial hour or overtime. As for driverless cars, like so much that is touted nowadays, this just looks like another highly technical solution for a problem that doesn't really exist. The more people claim that some magic piece of software will solve all our worries, the less it actually happens and the worse things get. just provide a couple of hundred parking spaces on the proposed site and everyone will be happy , failure to provide this will just make everyone else's life in the surrounding area a a complete nightmare , after all thats why we have environmental and planning rules for ,and not to be ridden roughshod over by greedy and pushy developers , 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offshoremanxman Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 A much more suitable development which will allow people to buy rather than be used as a high density dormitory with no parking https://www.three.fm/news/isle-of-man-news/housing-estate-plans-for-land-near-braddan-bridge/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daisy Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Just now, offshoremanxman said: A much more suitable development which will allow people to buy rather than be used as a high density dormitory with no parking https://www.three.fm/news/isle-of-man-news/housing-estate-plans-for-land-near-braddan-bridge/ Ah yes ...more green fields given to a developer without any actual figures to confirm that hundreds more houses are actually needed. Dandara/Haven/Hartford have built literally hundreds and hundreds and hundreds - Ballasalla, Castletown, Ramsey et al - yet population isn't growing ? the only benefit seems to be to line the developers pockets. Time to look deeper into developers accounts before creating another bottle neck into town, traffic issues near the hospital .... Developing in town is the answer - revitalise the shops and restaurants .... The high density dorm look needs to be sorted - but that is where development is needed 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 22 minutes ago, daisy said: Ah yes ...more green fields given to a developer without any actual figures to confirm that hundreds more houses are actually needed. Dandara/Haven/Hartford have built literally hundreds and hundreds and hundreds - Ballasalla, Castletown, Ramsey et al - yet population isn't growing ? the only benefit seems to be to line the developers pockets. Time to look deeper into developers accounts before creating another bottle neck into town, traffic issues near the hospital .... Developing in town is the answer - revitalise the shops and restaurants .... The high density dorm look needs to be sorted - but that is where development is needed Totally agree, the roads around there are rammed from 8 to 9.30 & 3.30 to 6 & busy at other times. There’s 1 access road coming out/in & just above Braddan bridge entrance!! All this development will do is enrich the Drinkwater family who own the land & Hartford homes! If they we’re going to build cheap housing for key workers & had further access points then maybe it may have some merit! Bradaan commissioners, DBC & many local residents have lodged objections 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moghrey Mie Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, Banker said: Totally agree, the roads around there are rammed from 8 to 9.30 & 3.30 to 6 & busy at other times. There’s 1 access road coming out/in & just above Braddan bridge entrance!! All this development will do is enrich the Drinkwater family who own the land & Hartford homes! If they we’re going to build cheap housing for key workers & had further access points then maybe it may have some merit! Bradaan commissioners, DBC & many local residents have lodged objections People need houses built to modern standards. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forestboy Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Moghrey Mie said: People need houses built to modern standards. Elaborate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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