Omobono Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 4 hours ago, Banker said: Who said anything about using a space twice? I’m sure there’s spaces available for lease if required . sure there are and anything between £1000 a year and £1500 and If they know people will be scratching for parking space the price will only go one way , better to provide suitable parking on the new development ,and bear the extra cost it will be value for money in the long term , and whats the betting when the survey is being done prior to approving a mortgage one of the first questions the bank ask's has the property got its own parking ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarndyce Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 1 hour ago, hissingsid said: There is another point, when I was young anyone rich enough to buy a car would either have a house with a garage or rent a garage to keep it in after all after a house a car is possibly the next expensive commodity you will buy but now around my neck of the woods no one keeps their cars in their garages they are either on their drives or on the road the reason being the garages are too small with the growing width of cars. Always good to get a bit of history - but I’m not sure how this point relates to the proposed development… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Buggane Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 There will be enough space to hang 200 bicycles, if its good enough for Dukes Street where they changed planning so as to not have to supply underground parking. If the plebs in Government are naive enough to believe everybody will get on a bike they deserve the chaos that would will be forth coming. Just look at DBC management who thought fortnightly collections was a good idea, this would pale into insignificance when you end up with two possibly three vehicles per residence. All well and good being able to nip to the shops on shanksy's pony, but not to work in one of the outer Douglas business parks. Thats my two pennith's. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offshoremanxman Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Dirty Buggane said: There will be enough space to hang 200 bicycles, if its good enough for Dukes Street where they changed planning so as to not have to supply underground parking. If the plebs in Government are naive enough to believe everybody will get on a bike they deserve the chaos that would will be forth coming. Just look at DBC management who thought fortnightly collections was a good idea, this would pale into insignificance when you end up with two possibly three vehicles per residence. All well and good being able to nip to the shops on shanksy's pony, but not to work in one of the outer Douglas business parks. Thats my two pennith's. If it’s social housing maybe they’d get away with it. On the new site in Peel Road there’s a fairly big carpark that never looks over blocked but they’re a lot of old folk in there I think who moved up from Lord St who won’t have cars as they wouldn’t have had cars in Lord St either. But the whole bicycle thing is idiotic. Very few will be using the fantasy 200 bicycle racks. It’s just a ruse to get round planning by pretending it’s going to be some sort of eco-village purely because clearly there will never be enough parking anywhere near to justify the scale of the proposals. So Douglas’ streets can now be clogged with both rubbish and parked cars. Edited January 25, 2023 by offshoremanxman 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 10 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said: So Douglas’ streets can now be clogged with both rubbish and parked cars. Buy a Tesla and get them both in one...watch that cable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Buggane Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 (edited) One must remember as offshoremanxman says the tenants in the new flats are the same ones from Lord St so most never had a vehicle to start with, the 200 bicycle hangers is just in my imagination and not part of the plan Yet. This is just to pre- empt the statement "well it works at the peel road development, I take it they are expecting sell the apartments and therfore the owners will be wanting to bring their existing cars with them. Unless they propose to sell with the caveats No cars No kids(who will aspire to own a car later in life)No pets(to keep the stench of waste to minium with fortnightly bin collections). Welcome to 1984 Edited January 25, 2023 by Dirty Buggane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Apple said: Buy a Tesla and get them both in one...watch that cable. Tesla the only car that loose's £6000 before you even drive it out of the garage showroom ,and comes with its own fire blanket 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 7 hours ago, Dirty Buggane said: There will be enough space to hang 200 bicycles, From there to Strand Street is downhill - but unfortunately uphill on the way back. Far too steep for me to pedal, maybe so for others. So the obvious thing to do is to use a bike with an electric motor, which requires a battery, which requires charging points at the bike storage area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genericUserName Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Two-lane said: So the obvious thing to do is to use a bike with an electric motor, which requires a battery, which requires charging points at the bike storage area. Can't you just unclip your battery and charge it indoors? Most bike batteries can be charged either on the bike or separately. (Also - most people are not going to be hanging-up their electric bike. Hanging bikes makes sense for lightweight bikes only.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get a life Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 Lots of the usual negative Manx crab like comments but good to see lots of positive ones as well. I don't do social but I dread to think what all the 'property experts' on there have to say about it. The MDC has to purchase any land from Government at market price, they fund it themselves (or raise external funding), they have to make a profit. They are not a quasi-Government entity. If you knew the chairman, Sean Gilbert, you would know he is anything but a civil servant. He is a property man through and through and is not afraid to challenge Government on anything development related. Their remit is brown field sites but not necessarily related to housing. I implore anyone to go along and see the MDC team present the scheme, they are passionate about developing and are not afraid to answer questions raised. As someone has already said people will not attend but will profess their expertise online. Just to add I have nothing to do with the MDC! 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offshoremanxman Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Get a life said: The MDC has to purchase any land from Government at market price, they fund it themselves (or raise external funding), they have to make a profit. They are not a quasi-Government entity. Not expressly true https://www.gov.im/media/1375598/manx-development-corporation-shareholder-agreement.pdf Section 14.1.4 There are various ways the land purchase can be structured including under license from IOMG or deferred with IOMG having a charge over the land. And they have a share holder agreement / debenture in place for government funding so often even if they fund up front they’ll buy sites off government with government money. Edited January 25, 2023 by offshoremanxman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 33 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said: Not expressly true https://www.gov.im/media/1375598/manx-development-corporation-shareholder-agreement.pdf Section 14.1.4 There are various ways the land purchase can be structured including under license from IOMG or deferred with IOMG having a charge over the land. And they have a share holder agreement / debenture in place for government funding so often even if they fund up front they’ll buy sites off government with government money. FFS stop being the typical Manx Crab about anything new or any changes!! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offshoremanxman Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 6 minutes ago, Banker said: FFS stop being the typical Manx Crab about anything new or any changes!! What was said isn’t actually true the executed share holder agreement is online and clearly sets out the funding arrangement which is not as described in the post above. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 Asking for PP soon https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/westmoreland-scheme-could-be-before-planners-in-a-matter-of-weeks/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
english zloty Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 36 minutes ago, Banker said: Asking for PP soon https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/westmoreland-scheme-could-be-before-planners-in-a-matter-of-weeks/ Not really brownfield and bullying folk out of business. This'll go well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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