Max Power Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 I'm a fan of the Packet but I'm struggling to reconcile their fare structure. A visit to their site seems to confirm a whole host of complaints I have heard from potential visitors to the TT and MGP, and even outside of these peak times. £265 return for a foot passenger, £98 outside of this. It wouldn't be half so bad if there was a tourism industry here to service the needs of tourists, but we have watched that dissolve into nothing over the years. Around TT time, and now the MGP, hospitality is way overpriced for what is on offer. I really think that without some action, we are staring down the barrel of a gun as far as being a viable destination is concerned. We can't sustain high fares and high accommodation costs on top of mediocre value. This of course is not to mention the costs of shipping to businesses, which is in turn contributing to our expensive tourism offering and the costs of living here. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Montgomery Burns Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Max Power said: I'm a fan of the Packet but I'm struggling to reconcile their fare structure. A visit to their site seems to confirm a whole host of complaints I have heard from potential visitors to the TT and MGP, and even outside of these peak times. Everyone said give it 2 years of IOMG ownership and it will be the Bus Vannin of the seas. They clearly only bought it to totally rag the ass out of it for cash just like all those PE companies did. We have to pay for that £50M new boat and the £100M Liverpool terminal somehow even if there’s no tourists left at the end of it. Edited January 20, 2023 by C Montgomery Burns 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meoir Shee Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 Plus a tenner each way for the privilege of walking your own push bike on, tying it up yourself with some rope and leaving it to the vagaries of all and sundry. Zero facilities for your tenner, 100% profit. Adds £40 return for a couple on top of the prices identified above. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Meoir Shee said: Plus a tenner each way for the privilege of walking your own push bike on, tying it up yourself with some rope and leaving it to the vagaries of all and sundry. Zero facilities for your tenner, 100% profit. Adds £40 return for a couple on top of the prices identified above. Well why shouldn’t you pay for transporting your push bike? Its a damn sight cheaper than putting your car on the boat. Zero facilities? Takes up space doesn’t it? Edited January 20, 2023 by The Voice of Reason Last sentence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellanvannin2010 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 Supply and demand and not just the steam packet. Look at the easyJet fares to LGW for Sunday 11thJune Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 £265 return for at foot passenger is obscene. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted January 20, 2023 Author Share Posted January 20, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, ellanvannin2010 said: Supply and demand and not just the steam packet. Look at the easyJet fares to LGW for Sunday 11thJune The 'supply and demand' argument only works when there is a demand, this is contributing to a falling demand. And as demand falls, the sector contracts further and further! Edited January 20, 2023 by Max Power 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genericUserName Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 17 minutes ago, Max Power said: I'm a fan of the Packet but I'm struggling to reconcile their fare structure. A visit to their site seems to confirm a whole host of complaints I have heard from potential visitors to the TT and MGP, and even outside of these peak times. £265 return for a foot passenger, £98 outside of this. etc Given that the average UK salary is now well over £30K, this does not seem much. And people on £30K are certainly unlikely to be wealthy enough to be likely to be visiting niche motorsports events. The issue, if there is one, is likely that the event itself needs to recognise that it needs to be able to appeal to the sort of people for whom these fares do not seem expensive. It will have no future if it relies on an increasingly elderly and less well off demographic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellanvannin2010 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, Max Power said: The 'supply and demand' argument only works when there is a demand, this is contributing to a falling demand. I thought the bike racing attendance was growing year by year, not falling?. Plenty of foot passenger fares for £42 rtn just as there are plenty of cheap easyJet fares to LGW if you can be flexible and choose not to travel on peak days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Montgomery Burns Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 6 minutes ago, Max Power said: The 'supply and demand' argument only works when there is a demand, this is contributing to a falling demand. And as demand falls, the sector contracts further and further! Goodwood FOS 4 day tickets this year are about £400 https://ticketing.goodwood.com/PagesPublic/UserControlled/UserDefined.aspx?page=festival-of-speed-weekend&days=9f4ad7f4-8aa9-4806-9b94-0e76b5c91155 All IOMG are trying to do with the TT and MGP is substitute an excessive ticket entry fee for an excessive boat fare fee to the organizers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted January 20, 2023 Author Share Posted January 20, 2023 1 minute ago, ellanvannin2010 said: I thought the bike racing attendance was growing year by year, not falling?. Plenty of foot passenger fares for £42 rtn just as there are plenty of cheap easyJet fares to LGW if you can be flexible and choose not to travel on peak days It's impossible to grow the attendance to previous levels, we do not have the bed spaces any more. The plenty of cheap fares when people are not travelling is a stupid argument really, people want to travel when they want to travel! It's no use coming in April, there's bugger all here, any more! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, Max Power said: It's impossible to grow the attendance to previous levels, we do not have the bed spaces any more. The plenty of cheap fares when people are not travelling is a stupid argument really, people want to travel when they want to travel! It's no use coming in April, there's bugger all here, any more! Ain't that the truth! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringy Rose Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 (edited) Fuel oil is priced in US dollars. On top of the huge inflation in oil prices, the strong dollar increases costs again. I don't find Steam Packet fares to be unreasonable. I'm going across at February half term and flights to Liverpool for 2 adults and a child are £450 return (Loganair were cheaper than Sleazy too, as Sleazy wanted to charge £35 each way for one suitcase). The boat, taking a car, was less, but then it's February and who wants to go on the Ben in February unless they like puking. It's supply and demand. It costs more to travel at popular times. And if people stop wanting to travel at popular times, fares will generally decrease. Edited January 20, 2023 by Ringy Rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genericUserName Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 5 minutes ago, Max Power said: there's bugger all here, any more! What kind of things which used to be here do you think people would come here for? It's a fantastic place to visit for the fresh air, peace, beautiful scenery, fishing, nice (expensive) food and quiet. But it is never going to be mass market again. Kind of like Cornwall or Cumbria but without the traffic in summer. Let's keep it niche. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellanvannin2010 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 7 minutes ago, Max Power said: It's impossible to grow the attendance to previous levels, we do not have the bed spaces any more. The plenty of cheap fares when people are not travelling is a stupid argument really, people want to travel when they want to travel! It's no use coming in April, there's bugger all here, any more! So what would the benefit to the company or the IOM be of selling the tickets cheaper at TT, the same number of visitors would visit by your argument as the limiting factor is bed spaces 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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