wrighty Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 2 hours ago, Passing Time said: Don't know about that but they are a cliquey bunch that's for sure Just like any group really. But all are welcome. I entered several classes over a few years, and won a few too. But then I realised it was more enjoyable playing in pub bands to appreciative crowds, than playing difficult classical repertoire to 10 disapproving old ladies. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 7 minutes ago, John Wright said: Wasn’t aware there was any screening. Just fill in the form and pay the fee? And turn up! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 The Guild is bad for retail business! All those Grannies going to watch 'their Little Darlings' instead of lunching with their usual friends, who don't go out either. So that's a min of 4 not retailing for a week!!! Ban it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Max Power said: I've no problem with Trannies, I don't see them as good, wholesome family entertainment though I'm afraid. I don't think the Guild is the place for them to perform, but there again, I never go to the Guild? 31 minutes ago, John Wright said: I think that’s quite offensive, like chinky, spic, polak, etc. I think you’re confusing people dressing in clothing normally worn by the opposite gender, not because they’re Transgender, but because they like the clothes, and entertainers dressing in OTT exaggerated costumes to entertain. I think it's just you that has the wrong end of the stick. Max is clearly referring to transvestites in his reference to trannies as they were known for years before transitioning even became a thing. He's right too. They always struck me as entertaining themselves rather than the audience. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 (edited) While it would be easy to suspect that a Drag Artiste is harbouring gender identity crisis, otherwise, if you want to sing, why not just sing in your usual clothes??? However, this would ignore the large number of Men who are only too willing to don bras, TuTus and fishnets for a charity run, carnival or stag night? It's just Fun? Isn't it? Edited January 27, 2023 by Kopek 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 31 minutes ago, woolley said: I think it's just you that has the wrong end of the stick. Max is clearly referring to transvestites in his reference to trannies as they were known for years before transitioning even became a thing. He's right too. They always struck me as entertaining themselves rather than the audience. He refers to TV performing. The class is drag. The two are different and I carefully drew the distinction between TV, TG and drag. TV’s don’t transition. They are of one gender dressing in the clothing normally thought appropriate for the other ( at least in a binary gender system ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade Runner Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 12 minutes ago, John Wright said: He refers to TV performing. The class is drag. The two are different and I carefully drew the distinction between TV, TG and drag. TV’s don’t transition. They are of one gender dressing in the clothing normally thought appropriate for the other ( at least in a binary gender system ). Just a bit of fun and no offence meant bit if you were to be a drag queen, what would you call yourself John? Pro Boner? Class Action? Mia Culpa? Bitha Hour? Hung Durie? This could be a thread on its own.................... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, Blade Runner said: Just a bit of fun and no offence meant bit if you were to be a drag queen, what would you call yourself John? Pro Boner? Class Action? Mia Culpa? Bitha Hour? Hung Durie? This could be a thread on its own.................... It could indeed… Never given it any thought. Yours are witty, but not enough innuendo. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoops Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 8 hours ago, John Wright said: I too looked at the syllabus. Elvis is fine, that’s a drag king thing. Drag, dressing as the opposite gender in an exaggerated manner, for comedic, theatrical, dramatic effect has a long history in English performing art. Panto has its principal boys and dames and ugly sisters. Pub drag or from the music halls had some real stars. Even variety on TV with Danny La Rue, and later Lilly Savage. The Disappointer Sisters at the Casino or Falcon Cliff for several seasons. I don’t think it’s sexist in the way blackface is racist. Scoring it if costume is optional seems odd. The essence of drag is the costume, the makeup, the mannerisms, the patter, the comedy, the challenge to societal norms ( that’s the subversion ) and the singing - not lipsynching. As for the family audience suitability I’m assuming that innuendo will be allowed. “10 miles to London, and still no dick” type of thing? Ive not seen much local drag recently. I went to one or two shows and found the performance poor and all the singing was mimed. Recently saw Cabaret in London, part of the fun was working out which of the KitKat Club “girls” were boys. Same in La Cage aux Folles, which I’m seeing as “La Jaula de las Locas” in a couple of weeks. a piece by Kelly Kleiman "In fact, though the consensus that blackface performance is intolerably racist is of relatively recent vintage, before that, analyses of blackface minstrelsy ......concentrated on the meaning of the performance to the performer and the audience, ignoring or discounting it's meaning to, and impact on the people being portrayed.........I argue that....(drag) represent institutionalized male hostility to women on a spectrum running from prescription of desired behaviour to simple ridicule" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 7 minutes ago, Blade Runner said: Just a bit of fun and no offence meant bit if you were to be a drag queen, what would you call yourself John? Pro Boner? Class Action? Mia Culpa? Bitha Hour? Hung Durie? This could be a thread on its own.................... Barry's sister Allie Gation Hot Docket Melon-y Felony Gerry's Dick-shun I put the prude in Jurisprudence Titty-gation Probable Cocks These started poor and I'm not sure they improved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 10 minutes ago, Hoops said: a piece by Kelly Kleiman "In fact, though the consensus that blackface performance is intolerably racist is of relatively recent vintage, before that, analyses of blackface minstrelsy ......concentrated on the meaning of the performance to the performer and the audience, ignoring or discounting it's meaning to, and impact on the people being portrayed.........I argue that....(drag) represent institutionalized male hostility to women on a spectrum running from prescription of desired behaviour to simple ridicule" She’s wrong in her conclusion about drag. It doesn’t prescribe, ridicule or parody women, but challenges men’s reaction to/expectations of women. Drag usual portrays strong, forthright, outspoken women who get away with things that no one else could say. Bit like the Jester in mediaeval courts, or the Lord of Misrule at Yule tide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 1 minute ago, HeliX said: Barry's sister Allie Gation Hot Docket Melon-y Felony Gerry's Dick-shun I put the prude in Jurisprudence Titty-gation Probable Cocks These started poor and I'm not sure they improved. I think Ima Qlit Concepcion. Boom Tish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 52 minutes ago, John Wright said: He refers to TV performing. The class is drag. The two are different and I carefully drew the distinction between TV, TG and drag. TV’s don’t transition. They are of one gender dressing in the clothing normally thought appropriate for the other ( at least in a binary gender system ). Of course, but Max didn't mention TG or transitioning as I read it. You introduced both of those and then started having a debate with yourself about it being offensive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 16 minutes ago, woolley said: Of course, but Max didn't mention TG or transitioning as I read it. You introduced both of those and then started having a debate with yourself about it being offensive. You need to go back and read what I wrote. Trannie is offensive. It stands for TV, not TG or someone who performs in drag. It’s Max and you that are confusing terms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passing Time Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 55 minutes ago, John Wright said: You need to go back and read what I wrote. Trannie is offensive. It stands for TV, not TG or someone who performs in drag. It’s Max and you that are confusing terms. Nobody but you cares… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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