Where do you see the Isle of Man in 10 years

[CallMeCurious]

1 hour ago, Gizo said:

Underwater apparently, as all the climate change doom mongerers keep telling us. 

Except Doulgas which will have it's own version of the Atlantic Wall with the same aesthetic.

[CallMeCurious]

6 minutes ago, Nom de plume said:

Well, given we're close to being bankrupt & everybody wants everything for nothing but are not prepared to pay proper taxes whether that be company or personally, I'd say we'll be royally fucked in 10 years.

For those reasons, I'm out. 

Oh, that ain't workin', that's the way you do it. Get your money for nothin', get your chicks  chips, cheese and gravy for free

[TheTeapot]

In 10 years there will still be no wind turbines.

[Non-Believer]

9 minutes ago, Nom de plume said:

Well, given we're close to being bankrupt & everybody wants everything for nothing but are not prepared to pay proper taxes whether that be company or personally, I'd say we'll be royally fucked in 10 years.

For those reasons, I'm out. 

Paying proper taxes and seeing them spent wisely is one thing. 

Being screwed over a barrel without lubricant in the name of financing excess, largesse, incompetence and fantasy politics is something else entirely.

[0bserver]

16 minutes ago, CallMeCurious said:

Now that is a government response if ever I heard one. Factually correct but totally useless. Though it might be great excuse when they have to realign the tram tracks on the prom.

Maybe that's why Longworth moved them 30cm, to future proof them?

[Nom de plume]

8 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

Paying proper taxes and seeing them spent wisely is one thing. 

Being screwed over a barrel without lubricant in the name of financing excess, largesse, incompetence and fantasy politics is something else entirely.

Both statements are correct BUT we must start by admitting we are screwed without a proper tax take & it's going to get very painful indeed if not addressed soon.

Ultra low personal tax rates, zero corporation tax, zero inheritance tax, minuscule multi-home ownership tax etc etc 

Yet still nobody young wants to live here!

[Nom de plume]

The Government bloat is killing this Island but 'we' don't pay enough. 

[asitis]

31 minutes ago, Nom de plume said:

The Government bloat is killing this Island but 'we' don't pay enough. 

That and the proliferation of red tape which keeps CS in jobs. A survey sent to a business by the FSA, one of the questions says along the lines of "are your customers attracted to the island because of the FSA". FFS, trying to comply with these half wits brain dead demands, are holding the island back not assisting anyone !

I'm all for transparent and well regulated, but some of the sh1t that comes out of that office is nothing more than utter dross !

In the UK, if you have problem, you let the FCA know, they work with you to solve it and sort it through. Here it's very similar, except the FSA go, okay, thanks for letting us know, here's a massive fine, now sort it out. Of the two jurisdictions which one do you think is more likely to be kept fully informed, in a partnership sort of way.

[Non-Believer]

3 hours ago, Nom de plume said:

The Government bloat is killing this Island but 'we' don't pay enough. 

 

[CallMeCurious]

3 hours ago, Non-Believer said:

Paying proper taxes and seeing them spent wisely is one thing. 

Being screwed over a barrel without lubricant in the name of financing excess, largesse, incompetence and fantasy politics is something else entirely.

The danger is, if they hear the message or run into trouble, they'll pull up the drawbridge (as they've done in the past) and stop spending for 6-12 months, even mothballing tendered contracts and suppliers will be in limbo. And once they decide to turn on the tap they want the jobs at the same price and on the same completion date.

Take the replacement secondary school for Castletown. Given all the new housing and the presumably young families moving into them, there will be a demand for it. Yet how long have they hummed and ha’ed about it. Trying to bolt on a new swimming pool and no doubt whatever the flavour of the month is (100 solar powered bicycle racks). All non-essential when it comes to the primary purpose of a school to educate.

There is no wisdom or pragmatism there. We all know that a school will undergo many changes in its lifetime, often almost yearly. So instead of trying to build some all singing all dancing uber tech school, focus on core facilities (from the core curriculum) and allow for future changes as needs, technology and demographics inevitably change.

Instead everything gets held up until the budget is way overshot and the core services are compromised in favour of the 'nice to haves'.

They have the survey data, the have the revenue data. How hard can it be to say "We need a school that will serve Y students from age 11 to 18 +/- 5% and X core subjects with a running & maintenance budget of £Z per student per year."  That makes a budget in the range of £A m with design fees of B% . The trouble is government specifies a Ferrari and thinks it should cost a Ford price. And end up paying Ferrari price for a Ford with 6 wheels and a platinum sterring wheel.

How do you think we end up with flumes redesigned halfway thought the job or red and white zebra crossings.

[Moghrey Mie]

17 minutes ago, CallMeCurious said:

The danger is, if they hear the message or run into trouble, they'll pull up the drawbridge (as they've done in the past) and stop spending for 6-12 months, even mothballing tendered contracts and suppliers will be in limbo. And once they decide to turn on the tap they want the jobs at the same price and on the same completion date.

Take the replacement secondary school for Castletown. Given all the new housing and the presumably young families moving into them, there will be a demand for it. Yet how long have they hummed and ha’ed about it. Trying to bolt on a new swimming pool and no doubt whatever the flavour of the month is (100 solar powered bicycle racks). All non-essential when it comes to the primary purpose of a school to educate.

There is no wisdom or pragmatism there. We all know that a school will undergo many changes in its lifetime, often almost yearly. So instead of trying to build some all singing all dancing uber tech school, focus on core facilities (from the core curriculum) and allow for future changes as needs, technology and demographics inevitably change.

Instead everything gets held up until the budget is way overshot and the core services are compromised in favour of the 'nice to haves'.

They have the survey data, the have the revenue data. How hard can it be to say "We need a school that will serve Y students from age 11 to 18 +/- 5% and X core subjects with a running & maintenance budget of £Z per student per year."  That makes a budget in the range of £A m with design fees of B% . The trouble is government specifies a Ferrari and thinks it should cost a Ford price. And end up paying Ferrari price for a Ford with 6 wheels and a platinum sterring wheel.

How do you think we end up with flumes redesigned halfway thought the job or red and white zebra crossings.

You can get modular schools these days.

[CallMeCurious]

4 hours ago, TheTeapot said:

In 10 years there will still be no wind turbines.

Correction, there will be no way past the wind turbines between here and the UK. Better start digging the tunnel now.

[CallMeCurious]

1 minute ago, Moghrey Mie said:

You can get modular schools these days.

Probably German like the https://www.huf-haus.com/en-uk/.

[0bserver]

It's been alluded to by others, but the government's addiction to spending and obsession with maintaining the status quo is like a cancer. 

You've only got to see statements by Minister Allinson about the need to make hard financial decisions... then you see clowns like Rob Mercer calling for £2m+ to be spent on some non-essential bridges, Moorhouse wanting Government to spend money on a funfair, Glover wanting £5m got MNH to build a new shed for a rowing boat. 

In the background you've got schools that need replacing, a health service on it's arse, a police force at breaking point, teachers that are never happy (are they ever though?)

All this against a background of a government budget that's being run off raiding the reserves every year. 

Why can't they see this profligate spending cannot continue?  They seem to think that their own pet projects or areas of interest should be immune from cuts (see Clown Mercer and cycling). 

I would understand if taxes went up slightly to support and improve the health service, but there's so much bloat that needs to be cut first. 

[genericUserName]

10 minutes ago, 0bserver said:

I would understand if taxes went up slightly to support and improve the health service, but there's so much bloat that needs to be cut first. 

Why not introduce a small amount of corporation tax? Starting at say 5% - but with some kind of scaled reduction based on how many people are employed locally.

So a company with many employees locally might still pay zero.

Edited February 9, 2023 by genericUserName