forestboy Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 2 hours ago, mad_manx said: Off peak charging makes lot of sense as it will take the excess from the grid. Contrary to popular myth you don't need to have an electric car to get cheap off peak electricity. Just need to switch to electric heating and it's cheaper than the EV tariff. However just like for EV you will need an upfront investment. Most people moving from a ICE to an EV are unlikely to go back to an ICE car (except those who end up with range anxiety but that's not an issue on island) ICE cannot match the performance on an ev ( instant acceleration etc ) plus the one pedal driving is a bonus. Most EV haters have never driven one EV is not for everyone.. I love EV 's and have one . If driving only a few miles a day ( say 1 or 2 k miles a year) then a ICE engine car may be better from the nett cost point of view. Charging issues are also another thing for those in flats etc .. Also as much as I like EV Tech I still think there is a lot of progress to be made . While it's fine as an only car for on island use , I still use my ICE engine car if I'm going anywhere beyond North of England. Must be nice to be able to afford such vehicles 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad_manx Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 (edited) If you look at nett running Costs over a 5 year period EV is cheaper for me.( cost per mile / cost to maintain/ service are all cheaper/ there are also less things that can go wrong ) Agree that there is still a significant gap in pricing between the price of EV and non EV cars of similar model but this is getting lesser with time. Automatics vs manual cars used to be like that maybe a decade ago but these days the price gap is not much. I think the government move to tax EV's is very fair. There are already enough perks with EV ownership anyway ( BIK exemptij for example) . Also the UK has significantly tapered down their EV grants anyway ( the ones the IOM never had) Edited February 19, 2023 by mad_manx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringy Rose Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 5 hours ago, WTF said: but at the end of the line which is more efficient , 35% under the bonnet or whatever at the power station with all the incurred energy losses getting the power into the vehicle batteries from the powerstation.. 35% is when the engine is warm and running optimally. At start-up it can be a lot less. And the island is small, most journeys are on a cold engine here. But yes, generation isn't 100% efficient and transmission loses energy too. I don't have an EV but have hired a Leaf a few times, and when my ICE cars need replacing I'll probably go EV. The performance with a Leaf knocks spots off my ICE Fiesta. I still think hydrogen is the way forward though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BriT Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 Well we now know what one reader thinks of the EV tax moaning https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/letter-to-the-editor-dont-by-an-electric-car-buy-a-fiat-500-595870 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forestboy Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 6 minutes ago, BriT said: Well we now know what one reader thinks of the EV tax moaning https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/letter-to-the-editor-dont-by-an-electric-car-buy-a-fiat-500-595870 And virtual signaling their wealth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BriT Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, forestboy said: And virtual signaling their wealth. Well that’s what most of us think isn’t it! 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Rushen Posted February 20, 2023 Author Share Posted February 20, 2023 21 hours ago, offshoremanxman said: Name and address withheld. I bet Josem wrote that. Quite like the bunion corrector but the shoes will be a bit cumbersome. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josem Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 On 2/19/2023 at 7:39 PM, offshoremanxman said: Name and address withheld. I bet Josem wrote that. I'll take that bet: I'll take the side that I did not write that. £10 to the Isle of Man Foodbank? I really think that reputable media outlets in the Isle of Man (and elsewhere) should start upholding higher standards on such things, and start following the guidelines of Associated Press or similar on the issue of anonymous sources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josem Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said: It was clearly a numerous comment. More strong evidence that we should not give much consideration to opinions shared by anonymous people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Rushen Posted February 21, 2023 Author Share Posted February 21, 2023 So why is the increase on vehicle duty not included in the budget? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 3 hours ago, Josem said: More strong evidence that we should not give much consideration to opinions shared by anonymous people. Unless they're using a puppet organisation to talk through, of course. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Major Rushen said: So why is the increase on vehicle duty not included in the budget? Because it will be sneaked out last thing on a Friday in a few weeks time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x-in-man Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 It never bloody is - it should be. 'down to individual departments to review their charges'. Another waste of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 29 minutes ago, x-in-man said: It never bloody is - it should be. 'down to individual departments to review their charges'. Another waste of money. Allinson is having a laugh. No Department is going to conduct a meaningful review because they've got no incentive to do so. If they do, their budgets will be cut for the next year accordingly and we all know how hard they try to avoid that (surfacing Sloc etc). "Savings" means one thing and one thing only, that is increasing charges to the public. Civil Service culture is expansion only and ours is an authority on the subject, particularly in light of a total lack of political control. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hissingsid Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 It is good it is not included in the budget it would have been passed with little discussion and the budget is accepted as a whole. Some parts of that budget would have been unpalatable to individual members of Tynwald but they had to vote on the whole package, at least this way the MHKs who have had remarks and thoughts from their constituents will get to question and debate this. It will probably go through but not without some dissention. Now is the time to have a hard word on your MHK if you do not agree with the increase or disagree with the £12 a year extra it will cost to pay six monthly. I have and will be taking note 🙄. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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