Proposed Increase in Vehicle Duty

[Roger Mexico]

On 2/28/2023 at 3:22 PM, x-in-man said:

If only that department could get an extra .. oh, I dunno,  '10%'?*

*10% my arse.

10% it is though.  I've set out the current Vehicle Duty rates as from May 2020 - from when the current rates were valid and compared them to those now proposed:

Band	CO2 (g/km)	Vehicle Duty 2023 (12 Mon)	Vehicle Duty 2023 (6 Mon)	Vehicle Duty 2020 (12 Mon)	% Increase
None	Pre-1990	28	N/A	25	12%
None	Motorcycles	28	N/A	25	12%
ZEV	Zero	65	39	0	N/A
A	To 50	65	39	6	983%
B	51-75	65	39	29	124%
C	76-100	65	39	40	63%
D	101-110	65	39	48	35%
E	111-120	79	46	71	11%
F	121-130	169	91	153	10%
G	131-140	203	108	184	10%
H	141-150	235	124	213	10%
I	151-165	268	140	243	10%
J	166-175	302	157	274	10%
K	176-185	336	174	305	10%
L	186-200	394	203	358	10%
M	201-225	410	211	372	10%
N	226-255	700	356	636	10%
O	Over 255	724	368	658	10%

As you can see, apart from a few figures a bit over 10%, cause by rounding up to the nearest pound on small amounts, the only big percentage increases are on very low emission cars (Bands A-D) whose Duty has been set at the same rate (£65) as the new one for electric, zero emission vehicles.  If you're objecting to those percentages, you ought also be complaining about the infinity percentage increase on the latter.  And not even the electric car owners seem to be doing that.

Or is the real complaint about the 10% that it is wrong?  Certainly if you look at the rate of inflation from May 2020 to January 2023, the increase for CPI is 15.4% (131.0 to 151.2) and the RPI figure is even higher at 18.2% (200.7 to 237.3).  Why should everyone else subsidise below inflation rises for car drivers?

I'm sure that now @Chris Thomas has had this pointed out, he will withdraw the order and replace it with one with 20% increases.  Hopefully that will make all the objectors on Manx Forums happy.

[x-in-man]

The big cars are 10%

The plebs cars - those who don't drive big jags and mercs is more than 10%

It's there in black and white.

Mine goes up 35%

NOT 10%

My old car would have gone up 63% - so much for having a light, less polluting vehicle from my one before that that has gone up ... 10% and did 15mpg with a 2.5l engine.

 

 

 

 

[Roger Mexico]

20 minutes ago, x-in-man said:

Mine goes up 35%

NOT 10%

My old car would have gone up 63% - so much for having a light, less polluting vehicle from my one before that that has gone up ... 10% and did 15mpg with a 2.5l engine.

A whole extra £17 a year!  How will you cope?

[x-in-man]

By shoving my old tax disc up your arse - it's the only way.

[Roger Mexico]

2 hours ago, x-in-man said:

By shoving my old tax disc up your arse - it's the only way.

Have you been going to those sex education lessons in Peel again?

[x-in-man]

Insert ‘your mum’ joke here.

[forestboy]

32 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

Have you been going to those sex education lessons in Peel again?

Probably Foxdale. 

[Chris Thomas]

On 3/3/2023 at 1:25 PM, Roger Mexico said:

10% it is though.  I've set out the current Vehicle Duty rates as from May 2020 - from when the current rates were valid and compared them to those now proposed:

Band	CO2 (g/km)	Vehicle Duty 2023 (12 Mon)	Vehicle Duty 2023 (6 Mon)	Vehicle Duty 2020 (12 Mon)	% Increase
None	Pre-1990	28	N/A	25	12%
None	Motorcycles	28	N/A	25	12%
ZEV	Zero	65	39	0	N/A
A	To 50	65	39	6	983%
B	51-75	65	39	29	124%
C	76-100	65	39	40	63%
D	101-110	65	39	48	35%
E	111-120	79	46	71	11%
F	121-130	169	91	153	10%
G	131-140	203	108	184	10%
H	141-150	235	124	213	10%
I	151-165	268	140	243	10%
J	166-175	302	157	274	10%
K	176-185	336	174	305	10%
L	186-200	394	203	358	10%
M	201-225	410	211	372	10%
N	226-255	700	356	636	10%
O	Over 255	724	368	658	10%

As you can see, apart from a few figures a bit over 10%, cause by rounding up to the nearest pound on small amounts, the only big percentage increases are on very low emission cars (Bands A-D) whose Duty has been set at the same rate (£65) as the new one for electric, zero emission vehicles.  If you're objecting to those percentages, you ought also be complaining about the infinity percentage increase on the latter.  And not even the electric car owners seem to be doing that.

Or is the real complaint about the 10% that it is wrong?  Certainly if you look at the rate of inflation from May 2020 to January 2023, the increase for CPI is 15.4% (131.0 to 151.2) and the RPI figure is even higher at 18.2% (200.7 to 237.3).  Why should everyone else subsidise below inflation rises for car drivers?

I'm sure that now @Chris Thomas has had this pointed out, he will withdraw the order and replace it with one with 20% increases.  Hopefully that will make all the objectors on Manx Forums happy.

Thank you for commentary and analysis.

Your calculations seems correct of course.

[Chris Thomas]

On 3/3/2023 at 10:16 AM, hissingsid said:

I wonder when this proposed rise will be presented to Tynwald.    If you don’t agree with it email your MHK now it is no good moaning on forums.

The Vehicle Duty Order will be on March Tynwald, having been on the register of business for six weeks. The effect of this order was included in the pink book departmental income after long negotiations with Treasury and then Council of Ministers. If Tynwald does not approve the order, departmental highways expenditure will need to be reduced further to balance departmental budget.

[Two-lane]

As it's a Sunday I thought I had better pay my airport car park fine - nope.... Only by visiting the Courts or a post office or making a phone call (no chance of anyone answering that on a Sunday). So much for the Digital Isle of Man.

I wonder if Chris Thomas has decided whether or not the invisible signs at the airport car park are legal?

[finlo]

15 minutes ago, Chris Thomas said:

The Vehicle Duty Order will be on March Tynwald, having been on the register of business for six weeks. The effect of this order was included in the pink book departmental income after long negotiations with Treasury and then Council of Ministers. If Tynwald does not approve the order, departmental highways expenditure will need to be reduced further to balance departmental budget.

Shouldn't be a problem as the road conditions are ace apparently!

[Non-Believer]

4 hours ago, finlo said:

Shouldn't be a problem as the road conditions are ace apparently!

In better nick than the PS pensions situation anyway, apparently the roads can do without £40M a year being found for them 🤭

[Two-lane]

22 hours ago, Two-lane said:

As it's a Sunday I thought I had better pay my airport car park fine - nope.... Only by visiting the Courts or a post office or making a phone call (no chance of anyone answering that on a Sunday). So much for the Digital Isle of Man.

No-one answered the phone on a Monday, either. It's working like a well-oiled machine. So I had to walk to the post office. Active travel. Obviously part of the gov.'s Great Plan.

[x-in-man]

Thomas must think the voting public are idiots.

 

[TheTeapot]

4 minutes ago, x-in-man said:

Thomas must think the voting public are idiots.

 

Quite a lot of them are.