offshoremanxman Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 50 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: Substitute DBC for DOI and you'll get the idea of what people think about their Rates too.... And there’s the irony isn’t it. It’s fine to say the DOI are shit that they are a monument to waste and the budgets and salaries are out of control (they are by the way), but try the same tactic in relation to DBC and the censors dive in because that can’t possibly be true and how dare anyone even suggest that. We’re all paying top dollar for public sector wastefulness and it’s only going one way. People, many of whom have seen no pay rises in years or whose businesses haven’t recovered from covid yet, underwriting everyone else’s guaranteed 6% pay increase for doing even less than ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asthehills Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 (edited) Let’s look to the future and bypass EVs and jump straight to hydrogen. Toyota already produce Hydrogen powered vehicles and BMW have also developed a solution which is due to start production. There are going to be an awful lot of scrap EVs in a few years that people have spun led fortunes on and we will all be lumbered with trying to get rid of them. Edited February 10, 2023 by Asthehills 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc.fixit Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 Convert them to I/C! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 21 minutes ago, Asthehills said: Let’s look to the future and bypass EVs and jump straight to hydrogen. Toyota already produce Hydrogen powered vehicles and BMW have also developed a solution which is due to start production. There are going to be an awful lot of scrap EVs in a few years that people have spun led fortunes on and we will all be lumbered with trying to get rid of them. I get the potential of hydrogen. How are we going to get the hydrogen though? It's really scarce and very expensive to produce. The main source of hydrogen is by burning fossil fuels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amadeus Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 Just now, Happier diner said: I get the potential of hydrogen. How are we going to get the hydrogen though? It's really scarce and very expensive to produce. The main source of hydrogen is by burning fossil fuels. Technology keeps advancing. If this becomes large scale then we can have what the guys from Riversimple predicted: cheap local hydrogen manufacturing stations. https://visor.ph/industry/new-process-produces-green-hydrogen-from-salt-water/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offshoremanxman Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 7 minutes ago, doc.fixit said: Convert them to I/C! Or compressed natural gas. That will end well. http://www.douglas.gov.im/index.php/news/council-news/item/2786-council-frustrated-by-regulations#.Y-ZIVy-nwgo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Major Rushen said: Growing the economy cutting gov spending reducing waste and improving efficiency now that is a lot harder. Far too hard for most and it absolutely will not start to happen until we put in some post some elected who will impose the will of the electorate instead of caving in, in short order usually, to the will of the Govt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 26 minutes ago, Amadeus said: Technology keeps advancing. If this becomes large scale then we can have what the guys from Riversimple predicted: cheap local hydrogen manufacturing stations. https://visor.ph/industry/new-process-produces-green-hydrogen-from-salt-water/ Agreed. Trouble is it's at least 10years off. Producing hydrogen from sea water is extremely inefficient. Its doable if there is a massive excess of renewable electricity. However to be produced in sufficient quantity to supply even a small percentage of cars and Van's is going to take many years to achieve.......and a whole lotta money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amadeus Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, Happier diner said: Agreed. Trouble is it's at least 10years off. Producing hydrogen from sea water is extremely inefficient. Its doable if there is a massive excess of renewable electricity. However to be produced in sufficient quantity to supply even a small percentage of cars and Van's is going to take many years to achieve.......and a whole lotta money We could be the pioneers. Incentivise companies to come here. Make it a test bed. Lead the world. Who am I kidding. Never gonna happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bastard Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Amadeus said: We could be the pioneers. Incentivise companies to come here. Make it a test bed. Lead the world. Who am I kidding. Never gonna happen. S'true. We lack the vision to make it happen, and we don't have the right people in charge. Shetland is doing pretty well : https://www.shetland.org/blog/green-hydrogen-potential Other places are looking at using spare energy capacity for hydrogen generation. Wind turbines are a start, but what if we had an under-used energy-from-waste plant that could be burning all of our local rubbish (including plastic that normally needs to be shipped elsewhere for recycling) and generating hydrogen fuel to be used locally to balance out the ecological impact ? If only we had such a facility that local councils could use to capacity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 5 hours ago, WTF said: but it isn't really the right thing if you go backwards down the line instead of just concentrating on the fully charged electric vehicle end product , some of the materials used and the fuel used produce the electric to charge the car in the first place are far worse than burning a bit of petrol in the vehicle itself. if you really want to do the right thing walk or cycle or get a horse. Exactly. Emissions zero at the tail pipe but huge in the production of an EV. So much so that it’s far more environmentally friendly to keep a good 7 to 10 year old car well maintained. Plus we currently don’t take into account the emissions generated from the infrastructure required to charge these vehicles. It’s just a big con. Even Elon Musk said as much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moghrey Mie Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 On 2/9/2023 at 8:46 PM, Chris Thomas said: Most, depending on how you define "spent on roads". There are things like vehicle test centre and quarries also included in the Highways Division budget. In addition there are capital projects for major highways schemes. Vehicle Testing Centre and surroundings are lit up like a palace. D O I could save some money there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 6 minutes ago, Moghrey Mie said: Vehicle Testing Centre and surroundings are lit up like a palace. D O I could save some money there. Why would they when we're paying for it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 10 hours ago, Major Rushen said: Raising vehicle duty is low hanging fruit. it fuels inflation at a time when government should be trying to hold it back. 6 month duty option will mean lots of people will not tax their nice cars during the winter - loss of revenue. Direct debit ( not included in Mr Ts measures) has not worked so well for car insurance as some just cannot pay it and we do not have the ANPR structure to check. Should help reduce our carbon footprint if a significant numbers of cars are not taxed for 6 months , and not being taxed then I take it that means Off the road , so if parked on the street while not taxed nice £60 for the traffic wardens to collect this sounds more like governments grand plan to reduce car ownership and get everyone on the bus, or get the cycles out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 8 hours ago, Asthehills said: Let’s look to the future and bypass EVs and jump straight to hydrogen. Toyota already produce Hydrogen powered vehicles and BMW have also developed a solution which is due to start production. There are going to be an awful lot of scrap EVs in a few years that people have spun led fortunes on and we will all be lumbered with trying to get rid of them. and if they are like fridges TV's and other electrical equipment the Government will come up with a fee for disposal just watch ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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