CallMeCurious Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 6 hours ago, The Phantom said: Because you can see a windmill, they're not hidden underwater. Not at night or in fog. Besides how do ships avoid other obstracles like wrecks and sand bars?.... maps and charts combined with satnav. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 25 minutes ago, CallMeCurious said: the turbines are underwater at depth where the storm won't touch them. And they are no different to wind turbines in terms of placement. Unlike wind, the tides are predictable and driven by the solar/lunar cycle and not todays weather system. And they would be out of sight too which is another bonus. Plus if you put the area off limits for fishing you'd create a natural reserve for stocks. There is no underwater where storms won't touch them in Manx waters. The sea is shallow all the way to Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Helmut Fromage Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 15 hours ago, Roxanne said: And the water ends up in my living room again. Rox quite clearly it will be pumped to empty flour mills - you’ll be fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 On 2/16/2023 at 8:18 AM, joebean said: This is a good move and demonstrates some much-needed forward thinking about the Island’s future energy requirements. Some imagination and acceptance of risk is going to be needed and a willingness to work in partnership with a variety of suppliers and financiers. Renewable energy is not a case of relying on one method of generation, but making use of a number of sustainable energy sources at our disposal, including wind, solar and tidal, with an openness to new technologies as they develop. Anyone suggesting that wind generation will only be effective for 1 day from 7 has not spent much time on the northern coast of the Island.. Planning is also going to need some resolve. There are greater issues here than nimbyism and a new landscape is going to be be necessary to generate our power. The road is likely to be rocky but the rewards at the end of it are worthwhile. Has anyone given any thought to the longer term financial committment for maintaining, replacement and sustainability of these turbines? These costs will be on top of whatever the budget is for the power station. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bastard Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 15 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said: Has anyone given any thought to the longer term financial committment for maintaining, replacement and sustainability of these turbines? These costs will be on top of whatever the budget is for the power station. Yes, of course they have, they'll be factored in to the project. Those costs are readily available - Google it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sentience Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) 18 hours ago, The Phantom said: I see. I was just going off the overhead feed in those diagrams in the link. Hadn't considered the direction of rotation. Does it affect efficiency? I'm told that when the wheel was actually being used for it's intended purpose, she could generate 200HP. However, despite all the recent remedial work, whether she would be up to rolling 24 hours a day at the required speed to generate that level of energy is an unknown. The Victorians DID 'build to last' but, she is a graceful elderly lady over 160 years old. Edited February 17, 2023 by Sentience 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bastard Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Sentience said: I'm told that when the wheel was actually being used for it's intended purpose, she could generate 200HP. However, despite all the recent remedial work, whether she would be up to rolling 24 hours a day at the required speed to generate that level of energy is an unknown. The Victorians DID 'build to last' but, she is a graceful elderly lady over 160 years old. This was discussed earlier in the thread - the maths aren't really worth it. Alongside the fact that it's a historical artifact that's always on the brink of needing expensive work that would be aggravated by constant running (as you mention), even assuming no losses at all during conversion, 200HP won't generate a significant amount of energy - about enough for 75 kettles. A wind turbine generates many times that, so better to go with a proven and reliable technology. Edited February 17, 2023 by The Bastard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 54 minutes ago, Sentience said: The Victorians DID 'build to last' but, she is a graceful elderly lady over 160 years old. and she still gets wet. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 2 hours ago, The Bastard said: Yes, of course they have, they'll be factored in to the project. Those costs are readily available - Google it. But we can't afford the upkeep of the current infrastructure. The MUA/IOMG/GMT will be permanently debt laden. Debt on top of debt on top of debt. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hissingsid Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Walking through a minefield blindfolded would be an apt description. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 Didn't take long for someone to think of a problem. https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/government-urged-to-consider-wildlife-when-considering-wind-farms/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moghrey Mie Posted February 18, 2023 Author Share Posted February 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Happier diner said: Didn't take long for someone to think of a problem. https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/government-urged-to-consider-wildlife-when-considering-wind-farms/ They will have to do environmental impact assessment as part of the planning process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 17 minutes ago, Moghrey Mie said: They will have to do environmental impact assessment as part of the planning process. Of course. And that's right and proper. Of course protection of the bats will be more important than protecting the whole earth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hissingsid Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 If you are naive enough to think the Isle of Man will be saving the earth by putting some windmills on Snaefell you are truly doomed. Until China, India and the likes are persuaded to join the club nothing is going to change. The only way this could happen is for every country to heavily tax imports being produced by these countries and that will never happen….will it. This pie in the sky notion the government has come up with will make some so called experts very rich and impoverise the rest of us. We are still paying for the power station and that was a necessity, so we have been led to believe. If I was younger I would invest in solar panels and encouraging people to do this would be good, perhaps pass legislation that all new builds have solar panels. Ban plastic water bottles that are still getting sold in schools. There are lots of things that could help, collectively they would make a difference. But this scheme is just an expensive dream. 8 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 3 hours ago, Happier diner said: Of course. And that's right and proper. Of course protection of the bats will be more important than protecting the whole earth. Only a rumour, but what would be the impact on the bat population of the Sloc? 🤫 Mind, at least there's a decent road going up there.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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