GD4ELI Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 7 minutes ago, hissingsid said: This was discussed on Mannin Line today and apparently it is not as good as it sounds regarding onshore wind farms. They only produce energy when there is wind….obviously and it is only windy enough to make the turbines work one day in every seven so we are talking a much lower figure than quoted. The noise coming from one is about the same as a chain saw. Solar panels need replacing every 15 years. The countries who are prominent in their use of natural power Denmark and Germany were mentioned currently have the most expensive electricity. Now I am just throwing these so called facts into the ring they are not my ideas but before we all go goody, goody all are energy problems are solved they are worth a thought. Turbines near me are always turning, even when there appears to be little wind. Plenty of BS on Mannin Line, I would ask for credible links. Solar panels do degrade with time, not quite as high as quoted. After ~20 years they will be running at 90% efficiency. STAT FAQs Part 2: Lifetime of PV Panels | State, Local, and Tribal Governments | NREL Before believing anything on Manx Radio take a look at the real figures. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayhem Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 This is positive news - like others though I'm more interested in them delivering on it. The track record on capital projects is as we all know is shocking, throw the planning issues into the mix and I'm skeptical. What I would like to see alongside this is more support (relaxing of planning etc not necessarily financial) for small scale micro to community level generation. They also need to take a position on reverse charging of electric vehicles, sort out a more realistic tariff, consider storage and how to decommission the power station. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 2 hours ago, Moghrey Mie said: https://www.gov.im/news/2023/feb/15/work-begins-on-ambitious-plan-to-decarbonise-islands-electricity-generation-by-2030/ Makes you wonder why they didn't put solar on the brand new Vehicle Testing Centre when it was built. Or any other government buildings built over the past 10/15 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 1 hour ago, GD4ELI said: Sounds good but I'll not hold my breath. If you could until the windfarm is built you will be doing your bit. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 I've been involved in a couple of renewable energy projects in Kenya. It's pretty sunny there, but they have all been wind turbines, not solar. I'm suprised we don't see more people with personal wind turbines at their homes. I can think of only two I've seen on the Island, compared to quite a few solar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 Apparently "events over the last year" have prompted this. Sigh. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD4ELI Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 3 minutes ago, The Phantom said: I've been involved in a couple of renewable energy projects in Kenya. It's pretty sunny there, but they have all been wind turbines, not solar. I'm suprised we don't see more people with personal wind turbines at their homes. I can think of only two I've seen on the Island, compared to quite a few solar. For an average house solar panels + 10kWH battery + intelligent will suffice. I agree about a small wind turbine but they don't generate a great deal until they get a tad large. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beelzebub3 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 Got a wind turbine 300 metres from our cottage and never stops turning may slow down but never stops,tbf I pass it twice a day out walking the dog it is in the middle of a field there is a total of 5 in a 7 mile radius and they don't look out of place. Local farmer tells me they generate a lot of electricity and give him an excellent return on his initial investment he did not give specific figures but I have known him all my life and would be inclined to believe him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moghrey Mie Posted February 15, 2023 Author Share Posted February 15, 2023 38 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: Apparently "events over the last year" have prompted this. Sigh. And reports like this- https://www.netzero.im/media/3q5eesvs/iom-fes-final-report_compressed.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weliveinhope Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 I'm all for moving to more renewable sources of energy, but I do fear that, with our track record of infrastructure projects, we will end up with yet another white elephant that the tax payer will end up paying for again and again. Wind farms arent particulalrly cost effective and have relied heavily on state subsidies. Theyre not overly reliable and their current life span averages around 20 years I believe. You also have the environmental impact of constructing a turbine and then sending it to landfill when its done, so there are many pitfalls and you do get the feeling that when the IOM gets involved in something it means theres a disaster in the offing. Clearly, something has to be done, I just hope that they employ the right people to ensure we get what the island needs at the right price. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hissingsid Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 Happier Diner the person speaking on this subject was very factual there is always a downside to every idea whether it is good or bad and careful consideration needs to be given before euphoria takes over and huge amounts of money is spent on experts and specialist consultants get involved. Where would these turbines be placed ? in every body’s backyard as long as they are not near you is the general response on the Island whenever this discussion comes up for anything that is controversial. How much would the initial outlay be ? Will electricity be cheaper ? Not if the countries who have gone down this road are anything to go by. Instead of dismissing other peoples ideas as bollocks perhaps look up some facts. How many windy days we had this week ? think about it !!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 48 minutes ago, The Phantom said: I'm suprised we don't see more people with personal wind turbines at their homes. I can think of only two I've seen on the Island, compared to quite a few solar. The question was asked in the 2021 Census along with other related items. The totals were: A heat pump 794 A passive house system 415 A solar heating system 221 A wind turbine 35 A charging Point for electric Vehicle 489 Solar Panels 631 That's (nominally) as at 30 May 2021, though some of the turbines, especially in built-up areas, can't be that powerful . The figures are broken down by LA area. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 3 hours ago, NoTail said: Can't wait for planning permission for onshore wind. The objections will be coming from every nimby They won't look Victorian enough for the usual suspects. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 (edited) They're such backward assholes, all of them. There's been a decades long reluctance to even consider wind from the MEA, no drive from any politicians, no imagination shown by anyone, anywhere. We had loads of millraces once, look at an old map. If I were involved in decision making I'd have reached out to the right people, said look, we want to reopen 20 or so of these and stick turbines on them, move part of your firm here, set up a little factory here's some nice space at a decent rate, use this really cool and clever project to sell your stuff around the world. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_hydro) Bet no one has ever even considered it. It's also obviously always windy, so it pisses me off no end to see thousands of them east and none here. Businesses are all going on about carbon footprints and green shit, they'd all be loving a nice mix of renewable sources. It all should have started happening years ago. Edited February 15, 2023 by TheTeapot 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 7 minutes ago, 0bserver said: They won't look Victorian enough for the usual suspects. Paint them red and white and call each of them Lady something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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