fatshaft Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 Out of the blue, though in fairness to her a very good and self-aware speech pinpointing a lot of the reasons why the time was right, though managing to avoid her lack of effort towards and advancement of the independence issue, and her ultimate downfall, not listening to anyone on the GRR / GRA bill She will be seen as a failure by Scottish indepenistas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackwhite Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 I don't think she will. If you mean in overall terms then whole party is a failure, as that's their raison d'etre. However it can't be as myopic as that. You're also a bit of a failure yourself in this instance as it's being talked about in the Scottish Independence thread in the right sub-section of International News! 😅 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatshaft Posted February 15, 2023 Author Share Posted February 15, 2023 34 minutes ago, jackwhite said: I don't think she will. If you mean in overall terms then whole party is a failure, as that's their raison d'etre. However it can't be as myopic as that. You're also a bit of a failure yourself in this instance as it's being talked about in the Scottish Independence thread in the right sub-section of International News! 😅 As independence hasn't even been on her radar, probably best this has a topic to itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 gone before she gets dragged in by the cops over the missing 600k 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 fandabbydozy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackwhite Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 18 hours ago, thommo2010 said: gone before she gets dragged in by the cops over the missing 600k Don't think that will stop them. I think it's bizarre the hatred she gathers. That said, if she has been guilty of financial misdemeanors then she deserves what she gets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 1 minute ago, jackwhite said: Don't think that will stop them. I think it's bizarre the hatred she gathers. That said, if she has been guilty of financial misdemeanors then she deserves what she gets. she has run Scotland into the gutter all in the quest for independence and never takes responsibility for anything, everything is the fault of Westminster. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackwhite Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 51 minutes ago, thommo2010 said: she has run Scotland into the gutter all in the quest for independence and never takes responsibility for anything, everything is the fault of Westminster. Can't agree she's run it into the gutter. There are issues, absolutely there are. She and the SNP are responsible for some of these, yes. I still believe Scotland are in a better position now than when she came to power. She's made a lot of mistakes recently. Schools are a bit of a mess, from what I understand. I know first hand of the uproar in the hospitality industry over the deposit return scheme. There are many others. That said people have openly hated (calling a spade a spade) her for a long time, and before some of these problems arose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AOR Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 Non-local News. Although Howard used to like having his photo taken with her. And she him I suppose because he made her relatively good looking. (I'm not being too cruel there, as I can assure you I am a bit of a munter myself) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 21 hours ago, jackwhite said: Can't agree she's run it into the gutter. There are issues, absolutely there are. She and the SNP are responsible for some of these, yes. I still believe Scotland are in a better position now than when she came to power. She's made a lot of mistakes recently. Schools are a bit of a mess, from what I understand. I know first hand of the uproar in the hospitality industry over the deposit return scheme. There are many others. That said people have openly hated (calling a spade a spade) her for a long time, and before some of these problems arose. I think a lot of it was down to her obsession with Independence above everything else. Her own constituency is a bi of a shit hole, there's issues with the gender bill that SNP tried to get through Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackwhite Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 People don't really have a rational reason for it. She was the leader of the SNP, of course she's going to be obsessed with independence. In recent years things have gone badly however the hatred has been there a lot longer than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxanne Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Being a strong, intelligent, assertive woman can do that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackwhite Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, Roxanne said: Being a strong, intelligent, assertive woman can do that. ..and usually says more about the person hating another. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD4ELI Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 She was a very nasty piece of work, living on the politics of hate. Good riddance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackwhite Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 58 minutes ago, GD4ELI said: She was a very nasty piece of work, living on the politics of hate. Good riddance. Again, please show your working. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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