DOI fails again

[forestboy]

46 minutes ago, Annoymouse said:

They changed the Ramsey Quayside to 20Mph and you’d never know, haven’t seen a single speed check in the area, I do think there is less cars doing 40mph but if you travel at 20mph you’ll have plenty of impatient fuckers trying to push you along.

Parliament street is no different, particularly between Parliament Square and Christian Street.

Has anyone been prosecuted for exceeding 20 limit or even police enforcement with radar gun. Are the limits actually legal and enforceable?

[cissolt]

Where is the money coming from for this active travel scheme dressed up as road safety?  Safe to assume it's paid for with car tax, at with other active travel schemes 

[Roxanne]

Just fix the potholes FFS!

[finlo]

I spent an hour stuck in traffic between St John's and Crosby this morning and when I reached the roadworks there was no fucker there as you would expect, don't the clowns in the doi office even know that the useless fuckers have the mountain shut for weeks tossers!

[Ringy Rose]

20 hours ago, Gladys said:

Party politics has to be the way to go.  How we get there is another question. 

I’d start by making the Chief Minister elected by the public directly, not by the MHKs.

I wouldn’t have voted for an MHK who was prepared to back Alf “pound shop Tory” Cannan (thankfully neither of mine did) but you only ever find out afterwards.

[Mercenary]

1 hour ago, finlo said:

I spent an hour stuck in traffic between St John's and Crosby this morning and when I reached the roadworks there was no fucker there as you would expect, don't the clowns in the doi office even know that the useless fuckers have the mountain shut for weeks tossers!

Their Facebook said issue at the tarmac plant after they'd already dug it out, at least the communication is improving 

[finlo]

1 hour ago, Mercenary said:

Their Facebook said issue at the tarmac plant after they'd already dug it out, at least the communication is improving 

But why dig it up at all with another main route out of action the same goes for the painting works at Ballig bridge!

Edited April 25, 2023 by finlo

[Mercenary]

2 minutes ago, finlo said:

But why dig it up at all with another main route out off action the same goes for the painting works at Ballig bridge!

Probably given a list of demands from ACU and TT only a month away. Let's be honest this is what drives a good chunk of their maintenance spending 

[CallMeCurious]

1 hour ago, finlo said:

But why dig it up at all with another main route out off action the same goes for the painting works at Ballig bridge!

TT of course. Same every year, like prodding an ants nest.

[CallMeCurious]

5 hours ago, Annoymouse said:

They changed the Ramsey Quayside to 20Mph and you’d never know, haven’t seen a single speed check in the area, I do think there is less cars doing 40mph but if you travel at 20mph you’ll have plenty of impatient fuckers trying to push you along.

Parliament street is no different, particularly between Parliament Square and Christian Street.

It's getting you ready for the looooong delays when they take 18 (36) months to rebuild the quayside with Chinese granite paving and glass harbour walls and an outdoor stage.

Thinks it's been delayed because they are doing an environmental impact study on all of the vegetation growing in the numerous craters along there.

[The Bastard]

The Douglas scheme does seem like a pointless, expensive, massive over-escalation of the "20 is plenty" campaign that had questionable support in the first place. There is simply no evidence of significant vehicle accidents that you'd expect to be used as a justification for an expensive money-burning scheme like this.

The original concern was about speeding vehicles in that area, as if lowering the speed limit would solve the issue - that the people doing 40 in a 30 would suddenly start adhering to a 20 limit because it was there. Instead of dealing with these lawbreaking exceptions, collective punishment of everyone is the chosen resolution.

Effectively it punishes all those who adhere to limits, who'll be crawling along in queues at 20 whilst the speeders just ignore it and go on as before. Nobody will enforce it, speed cameras won't be useable on most of the roads, so the effect on speeding will be questionable. Residents will eventually just ignore it and carry on as before, and effectively everyone becomes a lawbreaker, to the point where the law is meaningless and since you're already speeding at 25, you might as well do 45.

The consultation is flawed. You are steered away from saying that you disagree with the 20mph scheme, and if you disagree, you have to mark all roads that you think shouldn't be in the scheme, which would be incredibly onerous.

It's just trying to give the impression that people have been consulted, whereas it's actually about a single person's non-expert over-conservative view, that simply isn't backed up by statistics, being imposed on thousands of people, at the expense of large amounts of taxpayer cash that would be better spent elsewhere.

[Derek Flint]

7 hours ago, forestboy said:

Has anyone been prosecuted for exceeding 20 limit or even police enforcement with radar gun. Are the limits actually legal and enforceable?

They are legal and enforceable- but it is usually very tricky to do so.

Their key benefit is that they tend to pull-down the average speed to around 30mph thus making it safer for pedestrians and.cyclists. its more than fast enough in.a town centre 

[Ativa]

It will be interesting to see that they do with Sulby Straight pre TT, because they won’t be racing on it as it is.

Since we are only about a month away and any work will need signing off it must just be a plane and resurface, which should do the job but obviously doesn’t fix the issue of the tree roots under the road.

Realistically the trees need to come down and the whole road dig out and a new base laid, which no doubt means the “fix” that will happen in the next couple of weeks is very temporary 

[Mercenary]

4 minutes ago, Ativa said:

It will be interesting to see that they do with Sulby Straight pre TT, because they won’t be racing on it as it is.

Since we are only about a month away and any work will need signing off it must just be a plane and resurface, which should do the job but obviously doesn’t fix the issue of the tree roots under the road.

Realistically the trees need to come down and the whole road dig out and a new base laid, which no doubt means the “fix” that will happen in the next couple of weeks is very temporary 

Can you justify £150k for something that is only really an issue for racing? Yes it's noticeable in car/bus but not enough to justify fully reconstructing the tarmac 

[Ativa]

1 minute ago, Mercenary said:

Can you justify £150k for something that is only really an issue for racing? Yes it's noticeable in car/bus but not enough to justify fully reconstructing the tarmac 

It can’t be good for any services under there either al those roots.

The whole  lot needs digging up and the trees gone.

Edited April 26, 2023 by Ativa