Banker Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 21 minutes ago, Blade Runner said: Bump Bollocks been on loads of times so problems, concentrate on your own trains ! Oh you can’t because they’re on strike again 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade Runner Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 The mountain railway trams are a huge multi fatality event in waiting. 5 braking systems? Fail safe? My Arse........................... What fuck1ng fail safe braking system needs a train driver to start "vigorously turn a handle to make the train stop a few minutes later, on a sharp bend" * *Quote from a passenger who said the driver looked stressed..... Proper Fail Safe brakes need no input from the driver or anyone else, that is the fail safe bit, they come on automatically. Say for example, the next time this happens (and it will, until there is a multi fatality) the tram driver has a heart attack due to the stress of the event, what then? Superman? Thor? or your very own Hooperman? Will fly to the rescue......... That your DOI are again spinning this event as "Nothing to see here" is a very sad reflection of how low the island has sunk. These train runaway events were not a thing when I lived on the island but now you have 5 huge events in the last 5 years? These are classic Near Miss Events that in any normal company health and safety recording procedures, would make the people responsible for safety sit up and take notice and then make big changes to the railway to stop them happening again. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 3 hours ago, The Phantom said: Has anyone considered having an anchor on the back of them? Or parachute? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Hedgehog Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 3 hours ago, The Phantom said: Has anyone considered having an anchor on the back of them? I think Longworth tends to be up front driving them. Oh you said anchor. My bad 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted June 2, 2023 Author Share Posted June 2, 2023 https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/new-brakes-mean-snaefell-trams-have-never-been-safer-227807 "The new track brakes apply instant braking at the push of a button in the cab and they also come on automatically in the event of the failure of the electric or pressure systems. They are powered independently with 24 Volt battery systems." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Blade Runner said: What fuck1ng fail safe braking system needs a train driver to start "vigorously turn a handle to make the train stop a few minutes later, on a sharp bend" * a Victorian one , it is a heritage tramway after all . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade Runner Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 2 hours ago, Two-lane said: https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/new-brakes-mean-snaefell-trams-have-never-been-safer-227807 "The new track brakes apply instant braking at the push of a button in the cab and they also come on automatically in the event of the failure of the electric or pressure systems. They are powered independently with 24 Volt battery systems." That may be what they say should happen but what the passengers onboard reported was 100% different. That statement reads more like something from a Tesla Brochure What really happened - The tram driver was seen to be "vigorously turning a handle to make the train stop and a few minutes later, on a sharp bend , it did" No automation in that statement, no button pressing or automatic fail safe brakes Just terrified passengers, AGAIN and a crock of sh1t excuse from you so called politicians, AGAIN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted June 2, 2023 Author Share Posted June 2, 2023 I worked on the MER, rather than the Snaefell railway. My recollection of the general chat amongst the crews was that it took both driver and conductor on the Snaefell railway to use a great deal of effort to wind on the brakes if the tram ran away. The installation of the track brakes should have provided the ultimate-first-and-last-resort backup. That the driver was winding on the manual brake seems to imply that the track brakes did not function - but that is just an uninformed comment. I suppose one could make an FoI request for the accident report, but as it was not an accident maybe there is no accident report.... Unless there is complete openness from the authorities there will always be uninformed gossip, but that does not mean that the uninformed gossip is wrong. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Blade Runner said: That may be what they say should happen but what the passengers onboard reported was 100% different. That statement reads more like something from a Tesla Brochure What really happened - The tram driver was seen to be "vigorously turning a handle to make the train stop and a few minutes later, on a sharp bend , it did" No automation in that statement, no button pressing or automatic fail safe brakes Just terrified passengers, AGAIN and a crock of sh1t excuse from you so called politicians, AGAIN. Fuck off with your constant whining you WhenI and start a forum in Essex where you probably live & bore them to death!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 36 minutes ago, Banker said: Fuck off with your constant whining you WhenI and start a forum in Essex where you probably live & bore them to death!!! Essex? You are joking! Blade Runner. Maybe he is off t'essex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade Runner Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 11 hours ago, Happier diner said: Essex? You are joking! Blade Runner. Maybe he is off t'essex Of all the things Banker has called me, being from Essex is probably the most hurtful 😉 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallMeCurious Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 Seems the DoI might want to look up 'fail safe'? Or maybe the hand wound system is akin to ABS and the time the driver takes to wind them on is to prevent the tram from skidding on the tracks? Maybe we could turn it into theme park ride "Scream if you want to go faster" ? Let's hope we don't end up with a tram full of cruise ship passengers off the rails at some point, judging by the photo 2016 incident theres not a lot of protection in a wooden shed sat atop several tons of steel. 2014 - brake failure https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/was-there-another-runaway-tram-on-snaefell-217494 2016 - brake failure + empty tram destroyed https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/2016-crash-tram-had-faulty-brakes-216565 2017 - brake failure https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/runaway-tram-travelled-14km-and-reached-44mph-226975 2019 - all fixed? https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/new-brakes-mean-snaefell-trams-have-never-been-safer-227807 2023 - brake failure https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/snaefell-tram-in-brake-failure-drama-617256 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offshoremanxman Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 19 minutes ago, CallMeCurious said: Seems the DoI might want to look up 'fail safe'? Or maybe the hand wound system is akin to ABS and the time the driver takes to wind them on is to prevent the tram from skidding on the tracks? Maybe we could turn it into theme park ride "Scream if you want to go faster" ? You can highlight the problem there easily. From the 2016 report of the earlier crash: “Mr Longworth insisted that the issue with the parking brakes was ’irrelevant’ to the cause of the crash, while Bernard Warden, environment, safety and health director, said it was ’peripheral’” It then happened again three more times … because the idiot trainspotter knows better then absolutely everyone else and listens to absolutely nobody. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 9 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said: You can highlight the problem there easily. From the 2016 report of the earlier crash: “Mr Longworth insisted that the issue with the parking brakes was ’irrelevant’ to the cause of the crash, while Bernard Warden, environment, safety and health director, said it was ’peripheral’” It then happened again three more times … because the idiot trainspotter knows better then absolutely everyone else and listens to absolutely nobody. The same man who initially denied that the incident had even occurred at all. Might go a long way to explaining the Promenade tramway issues too. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringy Rose Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 16 hours ago, Blade Runner said: That may be what they say should happen but what the passengers onboard reported was 100% different. I’d take a lot of what passengers report with a pinch of salt. Trains and trams can’t stop as quickly as a car- a high speed train will take well over a mile to stop from top speed- so something which is completely under control is easily perceived as something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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