b4mbi Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 Can someone summarise what's actually happened here? New Ballasalla bypass was agreed as part of the planning for the scheme? Developer says bypass complete, but it doesn't actually connect to an as yet unconstructed Balthane roundabout, that Developer says is DoI's responsibility to complete. Seems unlikely that developer is in breach of planning - more likely there's a dispute with DoI about adoption of the bypass as built. How is this possible when DoI highways must have had input into the planning process? Mystery.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 40 minutes ago, b4mbi said: Can someone summarise what's actually happened here? New Ballasalla bypass was agreed as part of the planning for the scheme? Developer says bypass complete, but it doesn't actually connect to an as yet unconstructed Balthane roundabout, that Developer says is DoI's responsibility to complete. Seems unlikely that developer is in breach of planning - more likely there's a dispute with DoI about adoption of the bypass as built. How is this possible when DoI highways must have had input into the planning process? Mystery.. Seems to me and was always my understanding that.... DOI build the roundabout. Dandara connect it up. Until there is a roundabout, there is no point joining it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 I'll lob in a bit of conjecture. DD offer to build by-pass as part of development planning approval. DOI agree to build connecting roundabout. DD press on and do their bit. DOI find that they now have no money to build roundabout and as a means of deflection, attempt to blame DD. DD refute and DOI duly remain silent (at this time). Crookall goes back to his crayons in his sandpit. 10 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auntie Depressant Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 5 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: I'll lob in a bit of conjecture. DD offer to build by-pass as part of development planning approval. DOI agree to build connecting roundabout. DD press on and do their bit. DOI find that they now have no money to build roundabout and as a means of deflection, attempt to blame DD. DD refute and DOI duly remain silent (at this time). Crookall goes back to his crayons in his sandpit. That sounds horribly like the truth. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Hedgehog Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 45 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: I'll lob in a bit of conjecture. DD offer to build by-pass as part of development planning approval. DOI agree to build connecting roundabout. DD press on and do their bit. DOI find that they now have no money to build roundabout and as a means of deflection, attempt to blame DD. DD refute and DOI duly remain silent (at this time). Crookall goes back to his crayons in his sandpit. Pretty much correct I reckon. Of course Crookall wouldn't be allowed any crayons in case he ate them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 A few years back they managed to spend £250,000 on the Ballakillowey roundabout when £250k was a lot more than it would be now. So in modern terms, they'll be needing £500k+ for Balthane, maybe much more because it'll be much bigger than BallaK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted October 9 Author Share Posted October 9 There is history relating to the demolished houses and land, but unfortunately my memory is now extinct. However - "But work on the roundabout has been delayed following the discovery that land needed for the scheme was covered by a covenant." https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/work-on-ps19m-bypass-roundabout-can-finally-start-after-legal-deal-signed-683355 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 14 minutes ago, Two-lane said: There is history relating to the demolished houses and land, but unfortunately my memory is now extinct. However - "But work on the roundabout has been delayed following the discovery that land needed for the scheme was covered by a covenant." https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/work-on-ps19m-bypass-roundabout-can-finally-start-after-legal-deal-signed-683355 So initially DOI blamed Malew Commissioners. But it wasn't their fault. Although that link suggests the legal due process should really have been finished by now. Now DOI blaming Dandara. Seems it's also not their fault. Will they be blaming the Fairies next? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizo Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 Don’t forget the all singing design they had made up, with traffic lights everywhere until it went to local consultation and it was deemed a disaster, even the local idiot told them it wouldn’t work, so they again went back to the drawing board and guess what, a roundabout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x-in-man Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 Quite evident that Tim knows sweet F A about what is happening in his department. Time to go … again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted October 9 Author Share Posted October 9 I have in the back of my mind that there was more to the problem than just the covenant - but maybe not. However, for the people in the far north who have never been further south than The Traf., here is the plan. (What is a detention pond? Is that where they put naughty school children?) https://www.gov.im/media/1375496/presentation-ballasalla-bypass-balthane-junction.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 10 minutes ago, x-in-man said: Quite evident that Tim knows sweet F A about what is happening in his department. Time to go … again. Which would be yet another MHK chewed up, spat out and made a laughing stock of by the DOI. Nothing changes, despite Alf's wittering about disbanding or restructuring the Dept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 My memory is not the best, but I seem to remember the DOI redoing the Balthane roundabout not too long ago. The reason given for it being somewhat misaligned with the existing roads was that it had been done to accommodate the new bypass. Are they saying it needs doing again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manx Bean Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 31 minutes ago, x-in-man said: Quite evident that Tim knows sweet F A about what is happening in his department. Time to go … again. He’s never had a bloody clue! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 20 minutes ago, A fool and his money..... said: Are they saying it needs doing again? Yes. Bigger/better flow and with access to the new bypass. That's why they bought then demolished the cottages on the north side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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