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4 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

Ashford to ask Tynwald question, "Will electricity tariffs fall in line with reducing wholesale gas prices?"....

Good luck with that.

It didn't go up in line with wholesale gas price so perhaps optimistic to think it will come down in line with wholesale price. 

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3 hours ago, Happier diner said:

That's a point. However it depends what you expectations are I suppose. Do you think that they could realistically make significant inroads into this cost. Staff don't come cheap. Without being involved in the operation its easy to make radical statements like this, and they could be true. They equally could be false. 

"Profligate" is the word best used to describe MUA culture, particularly in regard to T&Cs. And its priority is to maintain that, regardless.

A good right-sizing outfit would have a field day with the MUA. I've worked close enough to it to know 😉

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3 minutes ago, WTF said:

the gas looks like it did 

When you compare the unit rate of gas with unit costs

Currently wholesale is 130.7p therm and a therm is 29.3kWh so per kWh = 130.7p/29.3 = 4.46p per kWh.

So doubling of gas prices went form about 2.2p per kWh to 4.46 per kWh.

Now obvioulsy there are additional on costs for transport over the network and inefficiency in the delivery/conversion of the gas to electricity.

But if the price is an indicator then 4.5p of 34p/kWh is 12% whereas historically 2.2p of 22p/kWh is 10%. So what is the remaining 29.5p paying for. Maybe MUA could provide a simple pie diagram of where % of charge goes?

For comparison, Manx Gas charge to 14p/kWh making wholesale gas about 32% of charge.

 

 

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1 hour ago, CallMeCurious said:

When you compare the unit rate of gas with unit costs

Currently wholesale is 130.7p therm and a therm is 29.3kWh so per kWh = 130.7p/29.3 = 4.46p per kWh.

So doubling of gas prices went form about 2.2p per kWh to 4.46 per kWh.

Now obvioulsy there are additional on costs for transport over the network and inefficiency in the delivery/conversion of the gas to electricity.

But if the price is an indicator then 4.5p of 34p/kWh is 12% whereas historically 2.2p of 22p/kWh is 10%. So what is the remaining 29.5p paying for. Maybe MUA could provide a simple pie diagram of where % of charge goes?

For comparison, Manx Gas charge to 14p/kWh making wholesale gas about 32% of charge.

 

 

That's a good analysis. You should be able to make your own pie graph. The no of kwhs per year is in the public domain. So how much a year do they spend on gas and how much has it gone up?

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39 minutes ago, cissolt said:

Dr Alex stated during the ongoing economic committee meeting that the increase is to pay the MUAs built up debt during the price freeze not a reflection on the current gas costs.

https://twitter.com/tynwaldinfo/status/1635213415278071815?s=20

If that is the case then presumably he can tell us how long the increased prices will last before that debt is paid off and tarrifs can revert back to a sensible level?

A cynic would say that they'll conveniently forget that part, or hopes the public do, in 12 months time and keep the prices high to pay off all the other accumulated debts and the windymillers experiment.

 

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1 minute ago, CallMeCurious said:

If that is the case then presumably he can tell us how long the increased prices will last before that debt is paid off and tarrifs can revert back to a sensible level?

A cynic would say that they'll conveniently forget that part, or hopes the public do, in 12 months time and keep the prices high to pay off all the other accumulated debts and the windymillers experiment.

 

Good question.  I think Ashford has this question tabled for tomorrow's keys.  I think Treasury will use the rise as an excuse to draw down the mea debt, but if that's the case they need to be honest about it.

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