Banker Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 Some businesses like Mannin hotel have installed energy saving devices https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/ministers-to-be-quizzed-on-energy-price-rise/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 48 minutes ago, Banker said: Some businesses like Mannin hotel have installed energy saving devices https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/ministers-to-be-quizzed-on-energy-price-rise/ Many hotels have had them for years, if not decades. Assuming the energy saving devices are the key card switches. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x-in-man Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 2 hours ago, AcousticallyChallenged said: Many hotels have had them for years, if not decades. Assuming the energy saving devices are the key card switches. Key card switches Dropping the voltages supply for lights Removing fridges Smaller kettles Proximity sensors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 4 hours ago, Banker said: Some businesses like Mannin hotel have installed energy saving devices https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/ministers-to-be-quizzed-on-energy-price-rise/ The mannin Hotel is run by a millionaire as a bit of a hobby, allegedly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 34 minutes ago, x-in-man said: Dropping the voltages supply for lights That doesn’t actually do anything for modern LED drivers. Surely the swap to LED would outweigh any old incandescent or halogens being run on a lower voltage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallMeCurious Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 4 hours ago, Happier diner said: What's the answer? Remove VAT from all energy would be a start. That way, unlike a windfall tax, the energy companies can't use it as an excuse to bump the prices. Remove VAT from A+ energy rated appliances and materials specifically designed for thermal insulation such as fibreglass etc. That way the government is literally putting its' money where its mouth is if 'energy efficiency' and 'saving the planet/nett zero' are it's core principles. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 2 hours ago, CallMeCurious said: Remove VAT from all energy would be a start. That way, unlike a windfall tax, the energy companies can't use it as an excuse to bump the prices. Remove VAT from A+ energy rated appliances and materials specifically designed for thermal insulation such as fibreglass etc. That way the government is literally putting its' money where its mouth is if 'energy efficiency' and 'saving the planet/nett zero' are it's core principles. It’s only 5% & I can’t see UK reducing taxes on fossil fuel energy at present time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x-in-man Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 3 hours ago, AcousticallyChallenged said: That doesn’t actually do anything for modern LED drivers. Surely the swap to LED would outweigh any old incandescent or halogens being run on a lower voltage. ..and how do the drives get their power? From 230V stepped down to 12V Have enough of them in a building and voltage optimiser will still save money running the drivers. You cannot run an entire hotel on one LED driver for all the LED lights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 1 hour ago, x-in-man said: ..and how do the drives get their power? From 230V stepped down to 12V Have enough of them in a building and voltage optimiser will still save money running the drivers. You cannot run an entire hotel on one LED driver for all the LED lights. The drivers are constant output current, if voltage rises, current going in falls. Don't take it from me, see the BEAMA here. https://www.beama.org.uk/static/uploaded/f7b5ff54-f783-4df4-89efc3287358d851.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallMeCurious Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 2 hours ago, Banker said: It’s only 5% & I can’t see UK reducing taxes on fossil fuel energy at present time We reduced it unilaterally before on the island (or maybe it was a rebate to offset some of the VAT) so we could do it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 Just now, CallMeCurious said: We reduced it unilaterally before on the island (or maybe it was a rebate to offset some of the VAT) so we could do it again. No we can’t without prior approval of UK Government due to the VAT agreement, don’t remember IOM reducing it unilaterally do you have details? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallMeCurious Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 2 hours ago, x-in-man said: ..and how do the drives get their power? From 230V stepped down to 12V Have enough of them in a building and voltage optimiser will still save money running the drivers. You cannot run an entire hotel on one LED driver for all the LED lights. Fluorescent lamps are being phased out this year and tungsten filament lamps have been banned for a few years. Just a few exceptions where LED wouldn't work because of ambient temperatures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 6 hours ago, CallMeCurious said: Remove VAT from all energy would be a start. That way, unlike a windfall tax, the energy companies can't use it as an excuse to bump the prices. Remove VAT from A+ energy rated appliances and materials specifically designed for thermal insulation such as fibreglass etc. That way the government is literally putting its' money where its mouth is if 'energy efficiency' and 'saving the planet/nett zero' are it's core principles. I get that. It's not going to solve it though.... Next answer please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallMeCurious Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 1 minute ago, Happier diner said: I get that. It's not going to solve it though.... Next answer please. Invite one of the big offshore windfarm companies to set up 10x or 15x capacity the IOM will ever need and agree a 20% stake in exchange for attractive seabed rental*. Use the revenue from that 20% output to UK market to purchase wholesale electricity to purchase from UK grid via interconnectors. So we sell 2x to 3x what we need when it is available and purchase only what we need 1x. This will buffer peaks and troughs of wind and we could ensure the location doesn't block our shipping routes. Make it a not for profit venture so any excess cashflow is used to reduce unit costs to IOM consumers. * Or free in return for their servicing and maintaining the equipment. At least investigate the feasibility. Hell invite the company to headquarter here and take advantage of our tax regime. At least it would be more ethical than the gambling industry? Done right and apart from emergency backup which could be mitigated a lot by having to or three seperate interconnectors , we would not need to generate anything here. Voila zero carbon or at least no worse than the UK buildup. The cheaper rate electricity would go a long way to help not just individual households but large users like the district pools etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTailT Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 I found this tweet thread quite insightful earlier. Did the Minister really suggest that, if the facts in the thread are true? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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