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5 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

So the loan that was taken out that treasury didn't know about was from treasury.

No. It was from Barclays, was at a high interest rate, and was paid off and refinanced from Treasury at a lower rate and over a longer period.

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26 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

And rising for 22/23 and probably for 23/24 as well.

It’s fixed for existing loans as stated in accounts , the last refinancing was from the £400m loan at 1.7%, that was a great deal treasury did as the rates now would be over 4% now 

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1 hour ago, John Wright said:

No. It was from Barclays, was at a high interest rate, and was paid off and refinanced from Treasury at a lower rate and over a longer period.

So has anyone ever admitted what the overall cost of this farce was? Or even a date for when the loan will be repaid? Given they are falling over themselves to spend money on windymillers and new meters.

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2 hours ago, cissolt said:

If you scroll back a few pages you said it was due to the current gas price.  Have you changed your mind?  Or realised that this is a debt repayment due to poor decision making?

I haven't changed my mind at all. It's a a balance sheet. There are out goings. Fuel and loan payments being significant ones.  

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43 minutes ago, CallMeCurious said:

So has anyone ever admitted what the overall cost of this farce was? Or even a date for when the loan will be repaid? Given they are falling over themselves to spend money on windymillers and new meters.

MUA water infrastructure loan is due to be repaid, or refinanced, by 29 March 2030

MUA electric infrastructure loan is due to be repaid, or refinanced, by 14 August 2034

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On 3/13/2023 at 7:39 AM, Happier diner said:

There was a debt, but if you look at the annual report the yearly loss had come right down to breaking even and they were even paying some debt back.

The gas price issue has set that back by about 10 years and undone any gains. 

The latest rises IMO are all about gas price. 

So are the latest rises all about gas price? Or repaying debt? 

Treasury minister says the later.

 

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20 minutes ago, cissolt said:

So are the latest rises all about gas price? Or repaying debt? 

Treasury minister says the later.

 

They are about making sure that there is no deficit in cash so that the MUA can do both of those things. It's not either or is it? If it became either or they would have to drop the loan repayments because buying gas is essential to the business. 

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52 minutes ago, John Wright said:

MUA water infrastructure loan is due to be repaid, or refinanced, by 29 March 2030

MUA electric infrastructure loan is due to be repaid, or refinanced, by 14 August 2034

Repaid, or refinanced?

If I understand you correctly then, what you are saying is the loans are interest only payments and at the end of their term the amount borrowed, say half a billion is still owed?

 

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5 minutes ago, Blade Runner said:

Repaid, or refinanced?

If I understand you correctly then, what you are saying is the loans are interest only payments and at the end of their term the amount borrowed, say half a billion is still owed?

 

Pragmatically, if they haven’t been paid off by the due date they’ll have to be refinanced.

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19 minutes ago, Blade Runner said:

Repaid, or refinanced?

If I understand you correctly then, what you are saying is the loans are interest only payments and at the end of their term the amount borrowed, say half a billion is still owed?

 

But all due to IOMG who of course have the £400m loan 

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