Non-Believer Posted Thursday at 04:02 PM Share Posted Thursday at 04:02 PM (edited) 4 minutes ago, John Wright said: I hadn’t looked at the relative unit price for ages. It was more or less the same at one point, even post Proffit. What's the major generation source in your locality John, fossil, wind, hydro or nuclear? Edited Thursday at 04:02 PM by Non-Believer Extra bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted Thursday at 04:50 PM Share Posted Thursday at 04:50 PM 45 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: What's the major generation source in your locality John, fossil, wind, hydro or nuclear? Supply infrastructure is Endesa, which used to be the nationalised generator and grid company. since liberalisation there are about 40 suppliers, national and regional. my bill gives a break down of the sources supplied by Naturgy ( my supplier ) and Spanish national figures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinpot Posted Thursday at 05:07 PM Share Posted Thursday at 05:07 PM 16 minutes ago, John Wright said: Supply infrastructure is Endesa, which used to be the nationalised generator and grid company. since liberalisation there are about 40 suppliers, national and regional. my bill gives a break down of the sources supplied by Naturgy ( my supplier ) and Spanish national figures. Cheaper price will be mainly down to good old economies of scale and a bit of competition at a guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted Thursday at 05:20 PM Share Posted Thursday at 05:20 PM 9 minutes ago, Tinpot said: Cheaper price will be mainly down to good old economies of scale and a bit of competition at a guess. At the height of the energy price surge immediately post Ukraine invasion it was more expensive in Spain than IoM, because IoMG absorbed the price rise for a year. The price has collapsed very quickly since. Yes, of course its economy of scale and competition, to ann extent, but it’s also down to high infrastructure cost, including Proffit, on island, that skews our price. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Lamb Posted Thursday at 05:40 PM Share Posted Thursday at 05:40 PM 31 minutes ago, Tinpot said: Cheaper price will be mainly down to good old economies of scale and a bit of competition at a guess. Spain 45% Nuclear, 50% renewables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted Thursday at 06:04 PM Share Posted Thursday at 06:04 PM 23 minutes ago, Harry Lamb said: Spain 45% Nuclear, 50% renewables. Nope. See above. Nuclear is only 20% nationally in Spain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted Thursday at 06:07 PM Share Posted Thursday at 06:07 PM Gas use an increasing contributor as well though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted Thursday at 06:23 PM Share Posted Thursday at 06:23 PM 11 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: Gas use an increasing contributor as well though? My figures are taken from my bill, and are the official monthly figures for Spain for September. The figures vary monthly. Renewables includes hydro, geothermal as well as wind and solar. Solar is about 30% in summer, nuclear about 20% year round, wind around 20%, geo and hydro are small contributors, but spring in the Pyrenees sees a hydro uptick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted Thursday at 07:18 PM Share Posted Thursday at 07:18 PM 3 hours ago, John Wright said: I received my IoM and Spanish electricity bills today. per unit cost IoM £0.28 or €0.336 Spain £0.12 or €0.145 I've been with Naturgy for 2 years fixed deal, and I can now swap to another supplier or sign up for another fix. I’ve signed up with !Si,Compare. sounds like you need 1500 mile long extension lead then ?? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted Thursday at 08:08 PM Share Posted Thursday at 08:08 PM They have a couple of these in Spain, where its sunny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted Thursday at 08:37 PM Share Posted Thursday at 08:37 PM 26 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: They have a couple of these in Spain, where its sunny. Although we have many more hours of daylight in the summer. Wasn't someone going to build one down Castletown way? Seems to have gone quiet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Lamb Posted Friday at 08:08 AM Share Posted Friday at 08:08 AM 14 hours ago, John Wright said: Nope. See above. Nuclear is only 20% nationally in Spain. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1007877/share-of-electricity-generation-in-spain/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted Friday at 08:11 AM Share Posted Friday at 08:11 AM 5 minutes ago, Harry Lamb said: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1007877/share-of-electricity-generation-in-spain/ Each monthly bill I get from Spain has the national breakdown of generation and for the supplies bought in and sold on by Naturgy. It’s a statutory requirement. Your table and mine say Nuclear 20%. Not 45%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Lamb Posted Friday at 08:15 AM Share Posted Friday at 08:15 AM 2 minutes ago, John Wright said: Each monthly bill I get from Spain has the national breakdown of generation and for the supplies bought in and sold on by Naturgy. It’s a statutory requirement. Naturgy's core business in Spain is gas, so perhaps they purchase more from carbon based suppliers than other energy suppliers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted Friday at 08:17 AM Share Posted Friday at 08:17 AM 3 minutes ago, Harry Lamb said: Naturgy's core business in Spain is gas, so perhaps they purchase more from carbon based suppliers than other energy suppliers? Look at the table I posted above. Naturgy supplies electricity generated by gas at half the Spanish national average. 9.2% against 18.3%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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