Dirty Buggane Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 Heard on the nmp that they are thinking it would be greener to burn the plastic and paper instead of the carbon foot print it is making to transport it to mainland and burn it there. Or pollute a large area in one of the eastern block states. Its going to be the epitaph on me grave, you could not make this shit up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 It was only the cardboard on reports I heard, they’re calculating whether it’s best recycling it into energy via W2E or more carbon by collecting it & transporting it away on boat & transporting again to plant & more energy again to recycle. Plastic was not mentioned when I was listening 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 There’ll be a point where it makes more sense economically to burn it. If you’re using more fuel than you save by recycling it to transport it, putting it through the big machine to burn it and make some power at the same time isn’t the worst option. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Dirty Buggane said: Heard on the nmp that they are thinking it would be greener to burn the plastic and paper instead of the carbon foot print it is making to transport it to mainland and burn it there. Or pollute a large area in one of the eastern block states. Its going to be the epitaph on me grave, you could not make this shit up. It would be greener. Now here's a thing.... the late departed former Chief Exec of Onchan Commissioners Malcolm Hulme was a Chartered Environmentalist and a clever bloke in lots of other ways. He carried out a detailed study and produced a report that proved that incinerating all the plastic on the island was indeed greener. I think his main argument was that the more you try to recycle the more carbon is created. Single use plastic is the big issue and manufacturers need to be encouraged (or fined?) to stop using it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 8 minutes ago, Banker said: It was only the cardboard on reports I heard, they’re calculating whether it’s best recycling it into energy via W2E or more carbon by collecting it & transporting it away on boat & transporting again to plant & more energy again to recycle. Plastic was not mentioned when I was listening Cardboard stripped of all plastic labelling and tape etc should be shredded and mixed into 'live' compost. It really isn't rocket science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 I'm convinced burning cardboard is the right move. I'm pretty sure burning paper is too, even though these are things that can be recycled. I'd think different if there was a paper mill on island, but we don't want one of those, they use horrible chemicals. Plastic is a whole different matter. A lot of plastics (notably PVC) just can't be recycled, and even the ones that can don't have a particularly strong market. Unfortunately burning plastic is shit. So are alternatives. That's a challenging situation for all. How good are those smoke scrubbers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moghrey Mie Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 8 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said: There’ll be a point where it makes more sense economically to burn it. If you’re using more fuel than you save by recycling it to transport it, putting it through the big machine to burn it and make some power at the same time isn’t the worst option. They haven't done the calculations yet. Difficult to do when the boat is going anyhow to transport other things off the island. Funny there is not talk about the energy being used to transport things TO the island. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Buggane Posted March 16, 2023 Author Share Posted March 16, 2023 Aah but my theory is they get to charge you more for the waste you are going to burn, bugger all to do with greener just charge you more. So the savings DBC made on the fortnightly collections have gone out the window in less than 2 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annoymouse Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 1 minute ago, TheTeapot said: That's a challenging situation for all. How good are those smoke scrubbers? Well they’re good enough to burn car tyres and all the other plastic that’s put in peoples bins each week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 It made me laugh this week. So here we have a “guru” on all things recycling. Not that Steph Gray has ever run a recycling centre, anywhere, ever. So I’m sat here wondering why is she beginning to make these statements, when her minister only earlier this week said they need fact based evidence for which they have none yet. So I’m also thinking she’s been in this post for years - what’s she been doing? They don’t even have basic waste disposal streams. Finally what have they been doing for the past 20 years when the rest of the western world has already moved on. It’s not as if it’s suddenly something new. What have they actually been doing and why don’t they know what’s best already? Smacks of government suddenly realizing that they need to lead in this instead of doing sweet FA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 Just now, Satan666 said: It made me laugh this week. So here we have a “guru” on all things recycling. Not that Steph Gray has ever run a recycling centre, anywhere, ever. So I’m sat here wondering why is she beginning to make these statements, when her minister only earlier this week said they need fact based evidence for which they have none yet. So I’m also thinking she’s been in this post for years - what’s she been doing? They don’t even have basic waste disposal streams. Finally what have they been doing for the past 20 years when the rest of the western world has already moved on. It’s not as if it’s suddenly something new. What have they actually been doing and why don’t they know what’s best already? Smacks of government suddenly realizing that they need to lead in this instead of doing sweet FA. And another thing she fails to mention is that ALL the electricity produced at the EfW is sold off island as green energy. We don’t get any of it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
war baby Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said: Cardboard stripped of all plastic labelling and tape etc should be shredded and mixed into 'live' compost. It really isn't rocket science. True it can be added, but it is best used as a mulch. In itself it does not provide nutrients, but can lighten a heavy soil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, Annoymouse said: Well they’re good enough to burn car tyres and all the other plastic that’s put in peoples bins each week I do hope so. Does someone test it? Does it get published if so? On those rare incredibly still days we occasionally get you can see something that looks unpleasant hanging around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, Satan666 said: And another thing she fails to mention is that ALL the electricity produced at the EfW is sold off island as green energy. We don’t get any of it! What? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: What? Maybe they've got a secret interconnector! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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