Passing Time Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 1 hour ago, war baby said: Sea levels are rising, everywhere. Don't they read the papers? If the sea wants it, it will eventually have it. No rush, it can take its time, it's going to be here long after we are gone. Every sailor knows the absolute power of the sea, it is truly awesome. Except King Canute and our planning authorities. don't forget Douglas Corporation, they have paint on the railings that can repel tides... How's that working for them 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passing Time Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 50 minutes ago, The Phantom said: Built on dirt not on rock by looks of it. Admittedly probably does have some foundations go down to the rock, but if all the dirt goes... Any more movement and they're going to have a hell of a basement... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, Passing Time said: Any more movement and they're going to have a hell of a basement... I don't think you should joke about it! It will be a short walk to the beach though. Being serious, this one is going to run and run. Lots of money for expert geotechnical consultants. Nightmare for the householders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 There used to be a lot more beach at that part of the shore. I mean from looking at old photos from the early 1900s. Not sure why that changed, unless it was the building of the harbour breakwaters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Unaccustomed as I am to making posts I know nothing about.... this photo was taken on 05/03/2023 before the latest fencing was put up. On the right-hand side of the working area are parallel scrape marks of, I assume, a mechanical digger - they were more apparent to me than on the photo - as was the pile of rubble that I assume had been taken off the slope. The photo is a link so that the earth scientists can zoom in to molecule level. https://cclark.uk/laxey/laxeyprom1.jpg 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 this sort of thing is why the concrete was left on the cliff face a summerland. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowell thurber Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 2 hours ago, Passing Time said: don't forget Douglas Corporation, they have paint on the railings that can repel tides... How's that working for them Cnuts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 In my photo the white corner of a house is the one in the earlier posted photos. I see from my photo that the dead vegetation in the centre of the photo, running up to the house, is different to that on the right (gorse) and that on the left (shrubs). It looks like that is the area were the landslip occurred. If you zoom in to the slightly overhanging bit of vegetation in the centre you can see that it is not solid rock but is just thin layers facing in a downward direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ativa Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Big tide tomorrow morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passing Time Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 55 minutes ago, lowell thurber said: Cnuts as in King Cnut... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallMeCurious Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 3 hours ago, WTF said: this sort of thing is why the concrete was left on the cliff face a summerland. That and the property owners on top had good lawyers. Those residents own civil engineers were not convinced that the original rods drilled into the cliff face to stabilize it would hold once the concrete was removed. So any developer will need deep pockets and hefty insurance. In Laxey, this subsidence must call into question the viabillity of the site until the stability of the cliff is assessed and fixed. If that involves removing a substantial part of the slope and effectively destroying the land on top then compensation should be in order. Presumably some civil engineer signed off on the works prior to working on the cliff. Hope they've got good insurance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 16 hours ago, CallMeCurious said: That and the property owners on top had good lawyers. One of the property owners was himself a very good corporate/tax lawyer! He would have had some legal contacts that would have advised on huge property developments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 There's been some land disturbance in the not too distant past (since 2010 at least) on the Old Laxey Road and the road itself has been shored up using concrete panel structures next to that house and almost directly above where the landslip is . The white concrete panels can be seen quite clearly to the right of the house from Charles Guard's video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWhGYs4iH-Y&ab_channel=CharlesGuardVideos And from Google Maps (directly underneath where the barriers are located): https://www.google.com/maps/@54.2237375,-4.3949454,3a,60y,227.28h,74.38t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slXkStlS87z2sYdZgpnzd3Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 Pound to a penny that the extensions on the back of the house and the road disturbance plus rainfall we've had over the last few years will have been a contributory factor, and made worse by undermining the layers of rockfall which in turn was holding back the vegetation at the bottom of the cliff. If you go to the top of the Hill towards the tram crossing and look back you will see that the first house has very little in the way of a back garden or even a yard. Its a precipice right next to the back door: yard:https://www.google.com/maps/@54.2229998,-4.3960983,3a,75y,86.9h,75.59t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_IaPUDdcJF3lbgjwBkirFg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 Most of the houses on that side of the road have had extensions built facing out toward the sea. I wonder how many of them have been anchored into the bedrock? Last Wednesday's prolonged and heavy rain was the worst I've seen in a long time. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Andy Onchan said: There's been some land disturbance in the not too distant past (since 2010 at least) on the Old Laxey Road and the road itself has been shored up using concrete panel structures next to that house and almost directly above where the landslip is . The white concrete panels can be seen quite clearly to the right of the house from Charles Guard's video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWhGYs4iH-Y&ab_channel=CharlesGuardVideos And from Google Maps (directly underneath where the barriers are located): https://www.google.com/maps/@54.2237375,-4.3949454,3a,60y,227.28h,74.38t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slXkStlS87z2sYdZgpnzd3Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 Pound to a penny that the extensions on the back of the house and the road disturbance plus rainfall we've had over the last few years will have been a contributory factor, and made worse by undermining the layers of rockfall which in turn was holding back the vegetation at the bottom of the cliff. If you go to the top of the Hill towards the tram crossing and look back you will see that the first house has very little in the way of a back garden or even a yard. Its a precipice right next to the back door: yard:https://www.google.com/maps/@54.2229998,-4.3960983,3a,75y,86.9h,75.59t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_IaPUDdcJF3lbgjwBkirFg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 Most of the houses on that side of the road have had extensions built facing out toward the sea. I wonder how many of them have been anchored into the bedrock? Last Wednesday's prolonged and heavy rain was the worst I've seen in a long time. Bold move putting a trampoline next to the fence next to the cliff too! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercenary Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 2 hours ago, Andy Onchan said: There's been some land disturbance in the not too distant past (since 2010 at least) on the Old Laxey Road and the road itself has been shored up using concrete panel structures next to that house and almost directly above where the landslip is . The white concrete panels can be seen quite clearly to the right of the house from Charles Guard's video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWhGYs4iH-Y&ab_channel=CharlesGuardVideos And from Google Maps (directly underneath where the barriers are located): https://www.google.com/maps/@54.2237375,-4.3949454,3a,60y,227.28h,74.38t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slXkStlS87z2sYdZgpnzd3Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 Pound to a penny that the extensions on the back of the house and the road disturbance plus rainfall we've had over the last few years will have been a contributory factor, and made worse by undermining the layers of rockfall which in turn was holding back the vegetation at the bottom of the cliff. If you go to the top of the Hill towards the tram crossing and look back you will see that the first house has very little in the way of a back garden or even a yard. Its a precipice right next to the back door: yard:https://www.google.com/maps/@54.2229998,-4.3960983,3a,75y,86.9h,75.59t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_IaPUDdcJF3lbgjwBkirFg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 Most of the houses on that side of the road have had extensions built facing out toward the sea. I wonder how many of them have been anchored into the bedrock? Last Wednesday's prolonged and heavy rain was the worst I've seen in a long time. Has the road moved? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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