Eden Centre-The Isle of Man-the next 30 years?

[The Bastard]

58 minutes ago, Dirty Buggane said:

After all this hot air the one major drawback is. The government is skint they are going to charge you eye watering amounts for what ever they supply. Gas/water/sewage/  electricity are all going to cost way above the odds, that is just to pay the interest on the loans/pensions and what ever other fuck up they have made and is still being paid for by us. Even if the price of the wind or solar or hydro was pennys we will still be paying pounds because they have fucked us over the years the coffers are empty. But they still want the gravy train with the silver service buffet car to keep rolling for the few and civil service whom seen to think the public are there just to pay for there largesse and pension. End of rant 

You should copy and paste that somewhere,much of it sounds like every other post you've ever made. Would save you a lot of typing !

While you were looking through your cracked crystal ball into your bleak future of melodrama you didn't come up with the lottery numbers. Do us all a favour and remember them next time.

Coffers aren't completely empty. Budgets are tight but we're not Sierra Leone poor. We're still investing in infrastructure as we should, and everything we own - power stations, street lights, interconnectors, undersea internet cables, drains, roads, gas piping, ferries, bridges, piers - has a fixed lifespan and will need replacing eventually. It all needs continual investment. All that's happening is that they're refocusing that investment on technologies that don't mean giving lots of Rubles to that nice Mr. Putin.

 

[Dirty Buggane]

I think myself more of a realist, no silver lining the lone ranger ai'nt  riding in on Tonto to save the day.

[The Bastard]

1 hour ago, Dirty Buggane said:

I think myself more of a realist, no silver lining the lone ranger ai'nt  riding in on Tonto to save the day.

Realism is definitely good, but I've also heard that phrase from people who have talked themselves into dark places. I hope you're OK, it does sound a very gloomy outlook.

Don't forget that you have the ability to change things, you're not just a passenger. Sometimes it just needs that one person to make a difference, to move things forward, to improve the situation. I'm sure you could actually bring a lot of wisdom and experience to the table if you chose to.

[Dirty Buggane]

If you think anything you do or opine will change one thing that this incompetent government plans to do. I'm afraid its  your delusion I would be more afraid of. Have a nice day  

[Blade Runner]

Quick Question - How do?

• Morecambe get a Biosphere for £100million
• The IOM gets a tin shed in Liverpool for about the same price.

Any engineering/ commercial building professional on here (There must be some on here?) will know the cost in Liverpool is nearly twice as much, being generous, than it should be.

A quick Spon's Civil Engineering Price Book look with albeit, limited knowledge of the finer details, and I don't have a marine price book, says no more than £37million

Never mind buried ordinance, wall reinforcement and voids in the area. Even a child can compare these two jobs - A huge Biosphere for thousands of people to visit a day and tin shed on an old dock and see something is totally wrong.

The Prom is slagged off on here all the time for what it cost but I can, even on the back of a fag packet, see where the £25million went. The prom should have been about £35million to do it properly but that's another story.

The tin shed in Liverpool is different, VERY DIFFERENT Something is VERY, VERY Wrong..........

That job needs a forensic claims/ cost consultant, someone like Evershhttps://www.eversheds-sutherland.com/global/en/where/europe/uk/index.pageeds Sutherland  to go through the costs and let the island know where the money went.

The PAC needs to employ the above consultants to get a true view of what has happened.

Minister Thomas, @Chris Thomas would you consider doing that, employing Eversheds to look into the spend in Liverpool?

PAC Speaker Watterson @JuanWatterson Would you consider doing that, employing Eversheds to look into the spend in Liverpool?

 

ETA I have no connection whatsoever with Eversheds Sutherland other than using their services a couple of times.

Edited May 1, 2023 by Blade Runner

[John Wright]

What’s the internal volume of the Liverpool Sea Terminal? What’s the internal volume of Eden North?

Does Eden North have a link span, a sea wall, or any parking and access roads to pay for? Did they have to pay for the Land, or has the local authority thrown it in for free?

Once Eden get their hands on the old Super Swimming Stadium/Bubbles site I’d not be surprised if they didn’t find huge engineering issues.

The entire site is Morecambe Harbour, reclaimed land, behind a bund. It leaked and settled from soon after the SSS was opened in 1936. That’s why it had to close in the 70’s. It was collapsing into the hole in which it had been built.

PS, you do know EvershedsSutherland is just a ( big ) law firm? Don’t you?

[Blade Runner]

14 hours ago, John Wright said:

What’s the internal volume of the Liverpool Sea Terminal? What’s the internal volume of Eden North?

Does Eden North have a link span, a sea wall, or any parking and access roads to pay for? Did they have to pay for the Land, or has the local authority thrown it in for free?

Once Eden get their hands on the old Super Swimming Stadium/Bubbles site I’d not be surprised if they didn’t find huge engineering issues.

The entire site is Morecambe Harbour, reclaimed land, behind a bund. It leaked and settled from soon after the SSS was opened in 1936. That’s why it had to close in the 70’s. It was collapsing into the hole in which it had been built.

PS, you do know EvershedsSutherland is just a ( big ) law firm? Don’t you?

Yes, with very good construction cost specialists, which is what is needed on that project, not just the PAC with no industry knowledge.

[Banker]

37 minutes ago, Blade Runner said:

Yes, with very good construction cost specialists, which is what is needed on that project, not just the PAC with no industry knowledge.

Thought you didn’t live here so why do you keep posting shit?

[John Wright]

1 hour ago, Blade Runner said:

Yes, with very good construction cost specialists, which is what is needed on that project, not just the PAC with no industry knowledge.

Their expertise is in interpreting, legally, in the context to a contract, information obtained from others. There’ll be plans, variations, and QS figures for Liverpool.

You seem to be assuming that the Liverpool terminal contract hasn’t been properly run, tendered, supervised.

Government contracts for public works have a regular tendency to over run and go over cost. You only have to look at cross rail, Edinburgh trams, HS2, - larger scale I know, but symptomatic.

Eversheds and PAC are fulfilling wholly different roles in wholly different scenarios. One is trying to understand politically the reasons for the overspend, reviewing the decisions and why they were made. The other is looking a culpability and recompense for negligence or fraud.