TheTeapot Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 Just now, The Phantom said: Grimly unsurprising that I don't think anyone has done a study into what % of fish's diet is shit! It would only be a few limited species however. Increased regulation of fishing would more than likely make up for any loss in our second hand food. Just look at the Herring fishery now back from being dead for 30 (or more) years. Likely also the reason for increased dolphin /whale activity here. Where the basking sharks have gone however is a bit of a mystery. It wasn't really the fish I was thinking would be eating it, more the teeny tiny things. Which possibly brings your basking shark point into focus, cos that's what they're after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 36 minutes ago, Dave Hedgehog said: It could be renamed Cacksey and marketed on the nutritional benefits of turdy seawater. It isn't though, and that's entirely the point when you look beyond the hype and hysteria. The water in Laxey is fine. The prevailing currents are away from the beach and the population is small. Globally, 85% of sewage is dumped raw into the sea. On the Island we have more than reversed that, certainly once Peel is attended to. If we are hellbent on spending the money and want to improve the environment (there's only one body of seawater), it would make more sense to donate the money to some third world city that shits directly into a river estuary so they can sort that out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 4 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: It wasn't really the fish I was thinking would be eating it, more the teeny tiny things. Which possibly brings your basking shark point into focus, cos that's what they're after. Interesting idea. Phytoplankton is however susceptible to huge blooms often caused by fertiliser (and I suppose shit) run-off from fields. It's partially responsible for Red Tides or Eutrophication, which are overall detrimental to sea life as they take all the oxygen out of the water. I suppose you'd probably end up with some sort of positive feedback loop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD4ELI Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 8 minutes ago, The Phantom said: Grimly unsurprising that I don't think anyone has done a study into what % of fish's diet is shit! It would only be a few limited species however. Increased regulation of fishing would more than likely make up for any loss in our second hand food. Just look at the Herring fishery now back from being dead for 30 (or more) years. Likely also the reason for increased dolphin /whale activity here. Where the basking sharks have gone however is a bit of a mystery. Long years ago while growing up near Ramsey, I (we) often went fishing for whiting (?) which gathered at the end of the outfall from the Grand Island. Never ate them myself, the cat loved them though. Also the gulls dined handsomely on whiting there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 Looks like some advance ass covering going on... https://www.three.fm/news/isle-of-man-news/beware-of-bathing-bacteria/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 1 minute ago, GD4ELI said: Long years ago while growing up near Ramsey, I (we) often went fishing for whiting (?) which gathered at the end of the outfall from the Grand Island. Never ate them myself, the cat loved them though. Also the gulls dined handsomely on whiting there. Yeah them or Callig (Pollack) known as 'Shitties' for a reason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade Runner Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 3 hours ago, The Phantom said: Disappointing but kind of understandable considering the literal shit show going on in with the Water Companies in the UK at the moment. https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/promise-of-clean-water-by-summer-2026-as-sewage-works-delayed/ At least when Peel and Laxey get done, the Isle will be able to claim it is significantly better than the UK. Good for the 'Biosphere' and the sudden curious rise of cold water dipping/swimming. Trust me as a water engineer, the islands rivers and beaches are no better, well maybe a bit, but not a lot. You also have to factor in the lack of environmental rules on the rock and you get chemicals discharged too but that is another row. MUA, have from what I have been told only just recently have, put in monitors for their sewer treatment works that discharge into rivers and they (MUA) were shocked at the results when it rains heavy. - This was driven by the press coverage in the UK which made the usual suspects of MHKs ask questions... Flame away Woolley but this is the truth. Bottom line, do not swim in the sea in most places in the island and if the river is deep enough and downstream of a STW give that a miss too. I am not saying the UK is better, I just don't have IOM is pure blinkers on like some do on here. The Rock may be less contaminated with SH1T but it is just the same. If you want to swim go to a swimming pool. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 59 minutes ago, woolley said: It isn't though, and that's entirely the point when you look beyond the hype and hysteria. The water in Laxey is fine. The prevailing currents are away from the beach and the population is small. Globally, 85% of sewage is dumped raw into the sea. On the Island we have more than reversed that, certainly once Peel is attended to. If we are hellbent on spending the money and want to improve the environment (there's only one body of seawater), it would make more sense to donate the money to some third world city that shits directly into a river estuary so they can sort that out. I agree that technically it probably doesn't harm the ocean that much by putting screened sewage into it. However, do you really think it's right that families should go onto beaches that are lapped by water containing raw sewage in this day and age? Personally ,and on balance , I favour the treatment option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 3 hours ago, Blade Runner said: Trust me as a water engineer, the islands rivers and beaches are no better, well maybe a bit, but not a lot. You also have to factor in the lack of environmental rules on the rock and you get chemicals discharged too but that is another row. MUA, have from what I have been told only just recently have, put in monitors for their sewer treatment works that discharge into rivers and they (MUA) were shocked at the results when it rains heavy. - This was driven by the press coverage in the UK which made the usual suspects of MHKs ask questions... Flame away Woolley but this is the truth. Bottom line, do not swim in the sea in most places in the island and if the river is deep enough and downstream of a STW give that a miss too. I am not saying the UK is better, I just don't have IOM is pure blinkers on like some do on here. The Rock may be less contaminated with SH1T but it is just the same. If you want to swim go to a swimming pool. No, I won't flame you on that. There's lots of agricultural effluent going into the sea at all points of the compass, and huge amounts of industrial and chemical waste. The biosphere notion is an effin' joke. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 2 hours ago, Happier diner said: I agree that technically it probably doesn't harm the ocean that much by putting screened sewage into it. However, do you really think it's right that families should go onto beaches that are lapped by water containing raw sewage in this day and age? Personally ,and on balance , I favour the treatment option. As I said, it isn't really a problem in Laxey. The prevailing currents are away from the beach. The projected solution is completely out of proportion to the problem, particularly in hard times. Probably more damaging to the environment too, all things considered. Box ticking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 On 4/4/2024 at 7:47 PM, woolley said: No, I won't flame you on that. There's lots of agricultural effluent going into the sea at all points of the compass, and huge amounts of industrial and chemical waste. The biosphere notion is an effin' joke. Where? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade Runner Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 6 hours ago, Happier diner said: Where? Grass silage pits are one I can think of I also know of many light industrial units, especially garages, that just dispose "down the drain" albeit not huge quantities but it happens. What you have to remember is there are no real, or should I say, enforced environmental regulations on Fraggle rock. Do you not remember the IOMSPCO having an incident where their bilge water was back fed into Lower Douglas Water mains? No wonder you are all so compliant, you are all drugged, poisoned......... Have you ever wondered why the IOM tap water smells so strongly of chlorine (Bleach) - When you let the tap run until the water is cold? Go to the tap now with a pint glass, run the cold water until the glass feels cold and smell the water before you drink it. I have not smelt that much chlorine/ bleach - same thing - in water anywhere else and I live in Essex/ Yorkshire/ A better place..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 Just walk along the riverside nature trail in Braddan on the old railway lines and see whats happening in the industrial estate that follows the river , all the surface water fuel and possible chemical spills go straight into the river , lorries being washed effluent from detergent and de greaser rubbish starting to make its way down the banks its I bet there is not one interceptor system to prevent possible water pollution , time these sites were monitored and improvement notices issued preferably before an environmental disaster , 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 5 hours ago, Blade Runner said: Grass silage pits are one I can think of I also know of many light industrial units, especially garages, that just dispose "down the drain" albeit not huge quantities but it happens. What you have to remember is there are no real, or should I say, enforced environmental regulations on Fraggle rock. Do you not remember the IOMSPCO having an incident where their bilge water was back fed into Lower Douglas Water mains? No wonder you are all so compliant, you are all drugged, poisoned......... Have you ever wondered why the IOM tap water smells so strongly of chlorine (Bleach) - When you let the tap run until the water is cold? Go to the tap now with a pint glass, run the cold water until the glass feels cold and smell the water before you drink it. I have not smelt that much chlorine/ bleach - same thing - in water anywhere else and I live in Essex/ Yorkshire/ A better place..... I think you need to lay off what ever you are drinking, smoking, injecting. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade Runner Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 11 hours ago, Happier diner said: I think you need to lay off what ever you are drinking, smoking, injecting. Nothing in that post that I made that is not true though is there 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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