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Niarbyl Café?


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33 minutes ago, Mikimoto said:

Any update on the rumour mill?!

The entire contents are on the market for sale. Was in one of the papers last week. The FB page was last updated 5/7/23 to say the tenancy had come to an end early 2023 and points people to MNH.

Quite why MNH haven’t managed to lease or operate it this year is a mystery.

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4 hours ago, John Wright said:

The entire contents are on the market for sale. Was in one of the papers last week. The FB page was last updated 5/7/23 to say the tenancy had come to an end early 2023 and points people to MNH.

Quite why MNH haven’t managed to lease or operate it this year is a mystery.

More likely, totally ridiculous lease terms and payments from my own experience of IOM Gov lease terms and conditions, for their properties.

That mad expectation of HUGE rents got FAR FAR worse still, after DFE got involved as they (DFE peeps) think they are all Alan Sugar and any local company will get London type bookings and therefore should pay London type lease costs.

Seriously John - You of all people must already know this?

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14 minutes ago, Blade Runner said:

More likely, totally ridiculous lease terms and payments from my own experience of IOM Gov lease terms and conditions, for their properties.

That mad expectation of HUGE rents got FAR FAR worse still, after DFE got involved as they (DFE peeps) think they are all Alan Sugar and any local company will get London type bookings and therefore should pay London type lease costs.

Seriously John - You of all people must already know this?

I can’t see it being viable even if it was rent free.

Having to be open on the days when there is no custom at all, and having to guess how much stock to get it would mean any margins would be very tight even without rent to pay.

Even when it was well run pre COVID and with a good menu there was hardly ever anyone buying more than a slice of cake and cup of tea.  Even weddings out there are very risky due to the exposed location and a few have had to be shifted to other locations very last minute.

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5 hours ago, John Wright said:

Quite why MNH haven’t managed to lease or operate it this year is a mystery.

The Bay Cafe in the Manx Museum has been vacant for some time as well.  It was originally closed because of building work on the TT Gallery underneath (they said), but that opened in May, so it was untenanted all Summer.

Is this all due to increasingly elaborate tendering processes devised by the AG's Office, leading to possible tenants being put off?

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5 hours ago, John Wright said:

The entire contents are on the market for sale. Was in one of the papers last week. The FB page was last updated 5/7/23 to say the tenancy had come to an end early 2023 and points people to MNH.

Quite why MNH haven’t managed to lease or operate it this year is a mystery.

I thought it was liable to subsidence. But maybe that was just a rumour.

On FB it says closed for refurbishment and open at the end of winter 2023.

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10 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

The Bay Cafe in the Manx Museum has been vacant for some time as well.  It was originally closed because of building work on the TT Gallery underneath (they said), but that opened in May, so it was untenanted all Summer.

Is this all due to increasingly elaborate tendering processes devised by the AG's Office, leading to possible tenants being put off?

The tendering process for any government contracts is a nightmare which is why many local companies don’t bother, in respect of cafes then it’s probably the rent requirements, cost of operating & general downturn. 
of a different cafe I understand that PSM pavilion is to get a new tenant after being empty for 9 months, apparently someone known to a commissioner.

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The4 Bayroom cafe in the museum is not up for tender, rather being offered though Chrystals for 10k pa. Maybe the same deal for Niarbyl which was expensive! Any such deal has to consider the quieter winter months and average it out over the year, same as any business .

I believe Niarbyl tenants were paying 30k pa which was not viable in post covid times, may have been OK  pre covid but later tenants were stuck with the previous rent level  but with dwindelling   custom???

Either way it's a situation that MNH have backed theirselves into, seek the best offer under the procurement system or an offer through an estate agent???

If they had followed the procurement procedure , they may have had a tenant paying less than the 10k advertised but would have been OPEN!!!

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