ans Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 /derail I had to look this up but apparently the equivalent of misogynist is philogynist /derail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 And let's not forget "misandrist". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonan3 Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 To be honest, I think a forum such as this should be more concerned with the views and opinions of it's contributors rather than a seemingly endless discussion on the opinions of one or two writers on the subject. Using evidence from other sources to support an opinion is fine, but to then make that evidence the mainstream of the debate detracts somewhat from the original purpose of it. According to Andrea Dworkin, who died earlier this year, sexual behaviour itself is a cause of inequality between men and women. Together with the feminist lawyer Catharine MacKinnon, she drafted a proposal for a law that defined pornography as a civil rights violation against women, and allowed women to sue the producers and distributors of pornography in a civil court for damages. In 1983 the law was passed in Indianapolis, but was subsequently overturned as unconstitutional by the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals in 1985. The Supreme Court of the United States later upheld the lower court's ruling in American Booksellers Association, Inc. v. Hudnut. Her works were highly controversial and she was heavily criticised from both sides of the political spectrum - as a threat to family values by the right whilst, at the other end of the spectrum, many continue to see her as a proponent of censorship and as exceedingly hostile towards free expression of sex. Pornography is a fact of life - always has been and always will be. The portrayal of sexual acts provides a degree of pleasure and stimulation to a large proportion of both the male and female population. The pleasure that some people derive from watching acts of violence is, in my opinion, a separate issue and a far more worrying one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 Why is the opinion/research of someone instantly not credible just because she happens to be a feminist anyway? Can anyone else spot the irony in refusing to take Dworkin's work seriously because she's a: "bra burning, testicle eating, comfy shoe wearing lesbian milliant earth mother" and "outspoken feminist man hater"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 Why is the opinion/research of someone instantly not credible just because she happens to be a feminist anyway? For the same reason you don't ask a jew to do an appraisal of supermarket bacon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 --- she's a: "bra burning, testicle eating, comfy shoe wearing lesbian milliant earth mother" and "outspoken feminist man hater"? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I feel sure that I could cure her ot it and make her a normal woman given a couple of weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 I feel sure that I could cure her ot it and make her a normal woman given a couple of weeks. She's all yours Rog. I would imagine the whole 'being dead' thing might be an issue too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 I feel sure that I could cure her of it and make her a normal woman given a couple of weeks. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> She's all yours Rog. I would imagine the whole 'being dead' thing might be an issue too. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I may be wrong about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 Why is the opinion/research of someone instantly not credible just because she happens to be a feminist anyway? Because she's hardly going to give you an impartial balanced view, is she? Can anyone else spot the irony in refusing to take Dworkin's work seriously because she's a: "bra burning, testicle eating, comfy shoe wearing lesbian milliant earth mother" and "outspoken feminist man hater"? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'd hope people could see the humour rather than the irony, please give me some credit. Anyway, rather than slag my views, why not post your own? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 Don't really have any. I kind of agree with Dworkin and Butterfly, but although I do think it's demeaning to women, I also don't think there's any way to get rid of it as men will never stop being stunned by the sight of a breast, let alone the rest. It's not something I'm particularly bothered about, but I do find it ludicrous that when so many men are total misogynist women haters it's still acceptable and commonplace to slag women off who try to stick up for themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 Fair enough. I'd slag off anyone with Dworkins views, man or woman. She's right about somethings, but then has applied the same blanket knee-jerk too far. There is demeaning porn, but not all porn is demeaning. Certainly not all sex is demeaning, she's gone too far with that! It's probably the kaftan sandles, her girlfriends pmt and lentil indegestion distracting her Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 Yeah, I'd agree she's gone too far on some things too, but that doesn't make all her reasoning flawed. Why is the opinion/research of someone instantly not credible just because she happens to be a feminist anyway? For the same reason you don't ask a jew to do an appraisal of supermarket bacon. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't think so ans. Feminism: Belief in the social, political, and economic equality of the sexes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 Yeah, I'd agree she's gone too far on some things too, but that doesn't make all her reasoning flawed. Why is the opinion/research of someone instantly not credible just because she happens to be a feminist anyway? For the same reason you don't ask a jew to do an appraisal of supermarket bacon. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't think so ans. Feminism: Belief in the social, political, and economic equality of the sexes. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I like the stuff from Waitrose best. Not as good as Batesons in Strand St used to ne, but good nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 Feminism: Belief in the social, political, and economic equality of the sexes. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Good God, I'm a feminist! Seeing I find women sexually attractive I guess that I'm a lesbian as well! Aaagh! Do I have to eat lentils and wear sandals as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonan3 Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 I like the stuff from Waitrose best. Not as good as Batesons in Strand St used to ne, but good nonetheless. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The Guardian did an article on the world's best bacon bap a few years ago - and the winner was a Jewish-owned place in New York! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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